CAM NEWTON

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Fox threw plenty with Orton...because he could.

Was this before or after he benched him?

Wait, it would have to be before. My bad.

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Fox threw plenty with Orton...because he could.

Then why did Fox switch Qbs and won far more withy Tebow"

It's because when Orton was QB the run game was terrible.. Orton is a dink and dunk passer.. that kills the run game. Tebow made the run game great which opened the deep passing game. Hence the low completion percentage with better results.

Tebow's deep passing ability opened the riun game more than Orton.. just the THREAT of Tebow's superior deep passing is more valuable than completion percentage.

You led the league in rushing.....stop saying your offense isnt any good and if it isnt, it is because of the QB!!!!

You are looking just at surface numbers... you don't understand football. Tebow made the riun game so good.. running is what wins football games..

Orton had 9 turnovers with you and Tebow had 12.

WTF? Tebow played far more games..

Tebow fumbled 13 times total (6 lost) with his 6 INT's. Orton threw 155 times in his 4 games...Tebow only threw 271 in 11 games.

Tebow made the Broncos the best running team in the NFL overnight.. not just because of his running ability but because of his deep passing ability as well. The simplistic offesne the Broncos ran caused him those turnovers later.. and the fact he had to carry the offense so much. This offense was designed to complement the D too.. Orton's was not.. Orton would have been killed playing the way Tebow did..

As for his paser rating...part of it only being only 72 is because of his completion%

Tebow's passer rating was better than Sam Bradford's.. also doesn't factor in style of play or Tebow's dominant running.. and impact on run game and D...

[TonyR]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

I think at least half of the GMs in the league would take Tebow over Newton.

Laughably stupid. Again, I can't prove it but you just need to apply a little bit of common sense. Cam Newton was the first pick of the draft and he easily exceeded expectations this season. There might be a few GM's who would favor Tebow because of his intangibles, and perhaps his character superiority compared to Newton, but even that's questionable. This is a passing league and Newton proved he can sling it. Tebow hasn't remotely proven that. The fact that you're having this argument with me, and that you're actually serious, cements the fact that you should recuse yourself from Tebow discussions because you're far too biased to be rational. Ridiculous.

[crazyhorse]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Then why did Fox switch Qbs and won far more withy Tebow"

It's because when Orton was QB the run game was terrible.. Orton is a dink and dunk passer.. that kills the run game. Tebow made the run game great which opened the deep passing game. Hence the low completion percentage with better results.

Tebow's deep passing ability opened the riun game more than Orton.. just the THREAT of Tebow's superior deep passing is more valuable than completion percentage.



You are looking just at surface numbers... you don't understand football. Tebow made the riun game so good.. running is what wins football games..




WTF? Tebow played far more games..



Tebow made the Broncos the best running team in the NFL overnight.. not just because of his running ability but because of his deep passing ability as well. The simplistic offesne the Broncos ran caused him those turnovers later.. and the fact he had to carry the offense so much. This offense was designed to complement the D too.. Orton's was not.. Orton would have been killed playing the way Tebow did..



Tebow's passer rating was better than Sam Bradford's.. also doesn't factor in style of play or Tebow's dominant running.. and impact on run game and D...

Damn son. When Tebow flunks out of the NFL, the impact is gonna kill you, aint it?

Wow. Its gonna be brutal.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Damn son. When Tebow flunks out of the NFL, the impact is gonna kill you, aint it?

Wow. Its gonna be brutal.

It's gonna be brutal for alot of them

How you been haven't seen you around lately

[crazyhorse]

Originally Posted by oubronco

It's gonna be brutal for alot of them

How you been haven't seen you around lately

Hangin in there.

Yeah I dont say much these days. A ton of infighting here. Tebow is splitting the base. Nothing I can say that wouln't cause a **** storm. It would give you guys a break from attacking each other though.

[oubronco]

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Hangin in there.

Yeah I dont say much these days. A ton of infighting here. Tebow is splitting the base. Nothing I can say that wouln't cause a **** storm. It would give you guys a break from attacking each other though.

Glad to here your hangin in there! Have you done anything new to your car?

I don't think Tebow really split the fans, I just think they accumulated an assload of scar tissue while healing from the McDaniels disaster.

Tebow can break that stuff free next year.

Originally Posted by Boltjolt

Fox threw plenty with Orton...because he could. You led the league in rushing.....stop saying your offense isnt any good and if it isnt, it is because of the QB!!!!
Orton had 9 turnovers with you and Tebow had 12. Tebow fumbled 13 times total (6 lost) with his 6 INT's. Orton threw 155 times in his 4 games...Tebow only threw 271 in 11 games.

As for his paser rating...part of it only being only 72 is because of his completion%

Or in other words... "let me throw out a bunch of completely unrelated numbers and hope you make some sort of logic out of them, because I can't."

Fox is a run-first guy. He couldn't run with Orton because he couldn't. Without Tebow's rushing yards (not even counting the extra dimension of Tebow running) the Broncos aren't even Top 10 in rushing (12th) In KO's games, they weren't even top-20 in rushing.

Add Tebow, and you have #1 in the league.

And that's not even accounting for how Tebow's run threat opened up runs for others. Or the fact that last year's leading rusher got hurt shortly after KO left the building.

[crazyhorse]

Originally Posted by oubronco

Glad to here your hangin in there! Have you done anything new to your car?

Put a power rack and pinion in it. Also put air cond. in it. Hoping to do a Rt66 Mustang cruise this spring. Its finished now. My pics dont do it justice. Its magazine quality. It turned out beautiful.

[oubronco]

Kick ass bro

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by TonyR

Serious question: how many NFL FO's do you think would take Tebow over Newton if they had the choice?

None.

Not even our own.

Originally Posted by TonyR

Laughably stupid. Again, I can't prove it but you just need to apply a little bit of common sense. Cam Newton was the first pick of the draft and he easily exceeded expectations this season. There might be a few GM's who would favor Tebow because of his intangibles, and perhaps his character superiority compared to Newton, but even that's questionable. This is a passing league and Newton proved he can sling it. Tebow hasn't remotely proven that. The fact that you're having this argument with me, and that you're actually serious, cements the fact that you should recuse yourself from Tebow discussions because you're far too biased to be rational. Ridiculous.

Tebow got to the playoffs and beat the Steelers in Fox's crap outdated offense.. if that isn't proof of his greatness nothing is. Cam's horrible play in the pro bowl just proves how coddled he has been this last year and in college too.

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Damn son. When Tebow flunks out of the NFL, the impact is gonna kill you, aint it?

Wow. Its gonna be brutal.

If Tebow "flunks out" it won't be his fault.. so no it won't kill me at all...

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

None.

Not even our own.

They would have said the same about Sam Bradford and Orton last season too... and yet Tebow made it to the Playoffs and they didn't.. no Cam either..

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

If Tebow "flunks out" it won't be his fault.. so no it won't kill me at all...

Are you seriously blaming someone else just in case Tebow doesn't succeed?

[Archer81]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Are you seriously blaming someone else just in case Tebow doesn't succeed?

Yes he is. That is exactly what he is doing.

This man has no dick.

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Yes he is. That is exactly what he is doing.

This man has no dick.

I get confused easily. Is that serious?

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Are you seriously blaming someone else just in case Tebow doesn't succeed?

Absolutely..the NFL has no ability to adapt to a unique talent.. Tebow may be the most unique player ever.. and he dominated his whole career in a way people said he couldn't.

People said he could never accomplish what he already has and he gets no credit for it.. Ask McGahee if he deserves credit...

I remember when he left college many people said Florida would be better without him and Brantley would be better and the runners around him and the D were carrying him... bwaahahahaha Same thing will happen with the Broncos..

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by MacGruder

Absolutely..the NFL has no ability to adapt to a unique talent.. Tebow may be the most unique player ever.. and he dominated his whole career in a way people said he couldn't.

People said he could never accomplish what he already has and he gets no credit for it.. Ask McGahee if he deserves credit...

I remember when he left college many people said Florida would be better without him and Brantley would be better and the runners around him and the D were carrying him... bwaahahahaha Same thing will happen with the Broncos..

Wait?

Wow. No, really. Wow.

[Archer81]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

I get confused easily. Is that serious?

Yes its true. MacGruder has no dick.

But yes, he is already set to blame the possibility of failure on someone else besides Tebow.

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Yes its true. MacGruder has no dick.

But yes, he is already set to blame the possibility of failure on someone else besides Tebow.

Are you really this stupid?

They said Tebow was fourth string and he led the team to the playoffs and beat the Steelers D..

If that isn't proof I don't know what is.. bury your head in the sand though..

[Missouribronc]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Yes its true. MacGruder has no dick.

But yes, he is already set to blame the possibility of failure on someone else besides Tebow.

Wow. It's just unbelievable the excuses people make for this guy.

He's genuinely a good guy, and I hate saying negative things about him, but it's just so ridiculous...

[Archer81]

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Wow. It's just unbelievable the excuses people make for this guy.

He's genuinely a good guy, and I hate saying negative things about him, but it's just so ridiculous...

I think Tebow will be successful. I have very little doubt about what he will do as a Bronco.

Macgruder, however is a full on ruh-tahd. Conspiracy theorist coupled with monkey spume, sprinkled with inane commentary and liberally doused in the seminal fluids of whales.

Originally Posted by Missouribronc

Wow. It's just unbelievable the excuses people make for this guy.

He's genuinely a good guy, and I hate saying negative things about him, but it's just so ridiculous...

No.. it really isn't ridiculous.. he is just a very very unique situation.. He domianted his whole career playing HIS style.. and now in the NFL he is being forced to adapt.. and not even realyl being given a chance to adapt to the NFL game.... and you think that's his fault.. lol