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Old 02-02-2012, 07:46 PM   #501
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No one is making that argument.
No, no one certainly is. They are just thrusting their head in the sand and screaming "wins" after just one season.

After the Orton debacle, Denver fans should be smarter than that.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:49 PM   #502
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But one season sells you on Newton?
Dude broke numerous rookie passer records, so yes.

Tebow. He can't even complete half of his passes.
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No, no one certainly is. They are just thrusting their head in the sand and screaming "wins" after just one season.

After the Orton debacle, Denver fans should be smarter than that.
No one is arguing that Tebow's a better passer than Newton. They're arguing that there's more to being a successful QB than passing alone.

Shocked that you would miss that. /sarcasm
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:52 PM   #504
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Dude broke numerous rookie passer records, so yes.

Tebow. He can't even complete half of his passes.
You're a complete tool. Have you seen the list of records Tebow set this year? I guarantee it's longer than Newton's.

Oh, but wait, I forgot, we're only allowed to look as one aspect of the position.
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No one is arguing that Tebow's a better passer than Newton. They're arguing that there's more to being a successful QB than passing alone.

Shocked that you would miss that. /sarcasm
I'm not missing that point. I'm pointing out that is naive, at best.

It's a passers league now. You need a top tier passer to win the Super Bowl.

A few wins by Tebow this season is just feeding the insanity that is arguing against that you have to have an elite passer to win the Super Bowl.
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I'm not missing that point. I'm pointing out that is naive, at best.

It's a passers league now. You need a top tier passer to win the Super Bowl.

A few wins by Tebow this season is jus feeding the insanity that is arguing that you have to have an elite passer to win the Super Bowl.
It's naive to think there's something more important than winning games, and you clearly are of that opinion.

And I love how you keep calling it "a few wins" like it was 3 or something. Classy.
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You're a complete tool. Have you seen the list of records Tebow set this year? I guarantee it's longer than Newton's.

Oh, but wait, I forgot, we're only allowed to look as one aspect of the position.
What records did Tebow break?
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It's naive to think there's something more important than winning games, and you clearly are of that opinion.

And I love how you keep calling it "a few wins" like it was 3 or something. Classy.
It just amazes me how Broncos fans have gone retarded over Tebow.
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Big Ben is laughing at this conversation.
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Like I said, you can skew stats wherever you want them to go.

Reality is that Newton is a better passer. It's not debatable.
Oh, wow.

You really had me going. I was falling for it the entire time. I thought you were serious. I should have realized it when you said that TD/TO ratio was a "skewed stat," but I didn't. I'm pretty embarssed. If you wanted to keep it going, you shouldn't call interceptions a skewed stat, though, that really gave it away. No one in their right mind would think that. I understand, though, it can get a bit boring if you're being sarcastic all day long and no one notices. You want to get found out at some point.

That was amazing. You seriously had me convinced the entire time.
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The numbers you are looking at are just regular season. To get to 16 games you need to include playoff games too. Also, 11 fumbles lost? Try 7 (at least that's what nfl.com has). That leads to 32/16.
Yeah, good point about reg season, Newton didn't have the playoffs. Also, Tebow didn't have 16 consecutive games, and didn't go into training camp #1.

And yeah, like I said the fumbles lost are disputable depending on whether you go to profootballreference or nfl.com.

No big deal, I'm not trying to make a stand on one or the other here, just trying to make sure the stats are presented properly. 35 TD's in 16 consecutive starts is dang good for a rookie. We'll see if he can keep it up.
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Big Ben is laughing at this conversation.
Roethlisberger is an elite passer.

Tebow is not.

Big difference.
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What records did Tebow break?
Just a couple of passing records off the top of my head:
First QB in NFL history to throw 3 50+ yards passes in a single game
Highest yds/completion in a ANY game in the history of the NFL
Longest TD pass in NFL playoff history.
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Yeah, good point about reg season, Newton didn't have the playoffs. Also, Tebow didn't have 16 consecutive games, and didn't go into training camp #1.

And yeah, like I said the fumbles lost are disputable depending on whether you go to profootballreference or nfl.com.

No big deal, I'm not trying to make a stand on one or the other here, just trying to make sure the stats are presented properly. 35 TD's in 16 consecutive starts is dang good for a rookie. We'll see if he can keep it up.
TD passes are so, totally, overrated.
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Just a couple of passing records off the top of my head:
First QB in NFL history to throw 3 50+ yards passes in a single game
Highest yds/completion in a playoff game in the history of the NFL
Longest TD pass in NFL playoff history.
So he had one good game.

So did Frank Reich.
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I'm not missing that point. I'm pointing out that is naive, at best.

It's a passers league now. You need a top tier passer to win the Super Bowl.

A few wins by Tebow this season is just feeding the insanity that is arguing against that you have to have an elite passer to win the Super Bowl.
They gave away the top two receivers. He was playing with the backups this season. He has not had an offseason or started a season as the one guy. He still has good numbers. The only thing off is completion %. He even has the wins...
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So he had one good game.

So did Frank Reich.
FROM ELIAS: It was the first time since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger that a team won a game when trailing by more than 14 points with less than three minutes remaining in regulation.
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FROM ELIAS: It was the first time since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger that a team won a game when trailing by more than 14 points with less than three minutes remaining in regulation.
Why were they trailing so bad?
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TD passes are so, totally, overrated.
18/9 in his first 16 starts. Thats just passing. That is going with the cool theory that rushing TDs are overrated.
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Why were they trailing so bad?
Play calling.

Why were the Panthers trailing when the game clock said this: 00:00
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Remember when Tebow completed a pass to the Marlins dugout, despite his wide receiver being open by 15 yards in every direction?
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Play calling.
And, fail.
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Remember when he went 9-7 with a playoff win? Terrible.
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Remember when Tebow completed a pass to the Marlins dugout, despite his wide receiver being open by 15 yards in every direction?
No, but I remember when he hit DT in stride during the playoffs.


Remember when Newton completed a pass to the other team more than once/game?
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And, fail.
We're not talking about Newton's ability to win or the story of your life at this time.

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