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Old 02-02-2012, 07:47 PM   #476
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Currently, Orton is much better passer than Tebow.
But..do you want Tebow or Orton?
That's a bad counter argument.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:56 PM   #477
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Tebow has also started 16 games, and his TD/TOs are 32/16. To save you the math, that's better than Newton's ratio.
My math shows Tebow 29 TD's total, 12 run, 17 pass.

Take away 11 fumbles lost (and that's a disputable number), 9 INT's.

Net is 29/20. Good net, overall. Can't complain about that at all. Dude has potential to be very good.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:14 PM   #478
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My math shows Tebow 29 TD's total, 12 run, 17 pass.

Take away 11 fumbles lost (and that's a disputable number), 9 INT's.

Net is 29/20. Good net, overall. Can't complain about that at all. Dude has potential to be very good.
The numbers you are looking at are just regular season. To get to 16 games you need to include playoff games too. Also, 11 fumbles lost? Try 7 (at least that's what nfl.com has). That leads to 32/16.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:16 PM   #479
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it's about scoring TD's.
In losses no doubt.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:19 PM   #480
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That's a bad counter argument.
It's a bad from your perspective because it destroys your point.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:26 PM   #481
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It's a bad from your perspective because it destroys your point.
How? If Tim Tebow isn't a better passer than Kyle Orton, how is he supposed to be a better passer than Cam Newton.?
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Tebow = 2 TDs per TO

Newton = 1.8 TDs per TO

Tebow is obviously better.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:30 PM   #483
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Tebow = 2 TDs per TO

Newton = 1.8 TDs per TO

Tebow is obviously better.
I can come up with skewed stats too.

It's pretty obvious to anyone that isn't hanging from Tebow's balls that Newton is a better passer.

Frankly, it's absurd that's even an argument...
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I can come up with skewed stats too.
Please explain...

It isn't about better passer. It is about better QB.
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Please explain...

It isn't about better passer. It is about better QB.
Look up completion percentage, total touchdowns and yards.

It shouldn't be too hard.
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Look up completion percentage, total touchdowns and yards.

It shouldn't be too hard.
BUT WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LOOK AT INTERCEPTIONS.
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Look up completion percentage, total touchdowns and yards.

It shouldn't be too hard.
Turnovers, play in the final minutes, wins... Yeah, it is kind of hard. One managed games and and won a lot more. The other didn't score nearly enough for the kind of football he is playing. This is pretty basic stuff.
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BUT WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LOOK AT INTERCEPTIONS.
Like I said, you can skew stats wherever you want them to go.

Reality is that Newton is a better passer. It's not debatable.
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Like I said, you can skew stats wherever you want them to go.

Reality is that Newton is a better passer. It's not debatable.
You are clearly too stupid to follow the conversation.
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You are clearly too stupid to follow the conversation.
What conversation?

Newton is a better passer than Tebow. It's obvious to most.

Tebow won a few games this season. Orton did that once too.
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How? If Tim Tebow isn't a better passer than Kyle Orton, how is he supposed to be a better passer than Cam Newton.?
Man you're daft. Orton is a better passer, but clearly not the better quarterback. Just like Newton is a better passer, but not a better quarterback.

Get it?
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The numbers you are looking at are just regular season. To get to 16 games you need to include playoff games too. Also, 11 fumbles lost? Try 7 (at least that's what nfl.com has). That leads to 32/16.
Yeah, pretty horrible for his first 16 games.
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What conversation?

Newton is a better passer than Tebow. It's obvious to most.

Tebow won a few games this season. Orton did that once too.
Orton did it with a team that was winning with every QB. They had a great team. That is such a stupid point...
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BUT WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LOOK AT INTERCEPTIONS.
OR, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WINS!
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Man you're daft. Orton is a better passer, but clearly not the better quarterback. Just like Newton is a better passer, but not a better quarterback.

Get it?
A few wins in one season tells you this?

That's not very good analysis.

Kyle Orton won six games in a row once too.
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Orton did it with a team that was winning with every QB. They had a great team. That is such a stupid point...
Denver had a "great team" in 2009?

Really?
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I can come up with skewed stats too.

It's pretty obvious to anyone that isn't hanging from Tebow's balls that Newton is a better passer.

Frankly, it's absurd that's even an argument...
No one is making that argument.
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A few wins in one season tells you this?

That's not very good analysis.

Kyle Orton won six games in a row once too.
8-8 in like his 7th year

9-7 and a playoff win in his 2nd year

Great example.
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A few wins in one season tells you this?

That's not very good analysis.
But one season sells you on Newton?
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Denver had a "great team" in 2009?

Really?
Orton was a winner in 09? Really?

We had one of the most injured teams in the league in 08 and they went 8-8. Orton took them to 8-8 with a very healthy team. Tebow took over a team that was 4-14 without him. You clearly don't remember McDaniels. Great argument.
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