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Old 01-26-2012, 12:59 PM   #1
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Default Rumored plan to block Xbox 720 from playing used games?

Opinion: A Crime Against Consumers

A rumored plan to block Xbox 720 from playing used games is both morally wrong, and dangerous to the future of gaming.

Have you ever bought a used car? Do you frequent those loveliest of places, second-hand bookstores? Will you be wearing, at some point soon, a cherished article of clothing purchased from a sweet lady at a thrift store?

If you have engaged in any of these practices, welcome friend, to the bustling reality of trade, an element of society that goes back to the Stone Age...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217310p1.html

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Old 01-26-2012, 01:14 PM   #2
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No big deal... DO NOT BUY A 720 if this news upsets you.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:21 PM   #3
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Microsoft won me over with Xbox. I had owned a Playstation and Nintendo consoles to that point. Should they decide to go this route, I will happily leave them and continue to buy Nintendo consoles and switch right back to Sony for my "heavier" gaming needs.

Bioware and EA have been angling this route for some time.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:22 PM   #4
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Opinion: A Crime Against Consumers

A rumored plan to block Xbox 720 from playing used games is both morally wrong, and dangerous to the future of gaming.

Have you ever bought a used car? Do you frequent those loveliest of places, second-hand bookstores? Will you be wearing, at some point soon, a cherished article of clothing purchased from a sweet lady at a thrift store?

If you have engaged in any of these practices, welcome friend, to the bustling reality of trade, an element of society that goes back to the Stone Age...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217310p1.html

wow. there's some really bad logic in that article you linked. for example,

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There is an ethical issue at the heart of the used games business that's well worth contemplation. When you buy a used game, none of the money goes to the people who actually made that product. You are, in that solitary transaction, depriving a game developer of royalties, wages, investment bucks that he would have gained had you bought the game brand new.
what? once a game is purchased, that disc is private property. once you own something, it's your right to do with it as you see fit. if you sell it or loan it to somebody else, it's your business. that "product" has in fact already been sold once by the manufacturer and they've reaped the profits from it. the fact that you re-sell it to somebody else is irrelevant... you are not depriving them of additional sales. they've already realized their profit on that disc. it's not like you're duplicating the disc and making copies of it. does a grocer whine that a restaurant is re-selling the lettuce that said restaurant bought from them? does Discount Tires complain when you sell your car that you're depriving them of revenue by including the tires on the car you're selling?

the person who wrote this article, even if they are on they right side of the issue, is woefully uninformed on the concept of private property.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:25 PM   #6
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Guys, if you buy a Taurus, and then realize you bought a Taurus and sell it to someone, you have to pay Ford, because, come on, you are totally depriving them of stuff!
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1, CBF1 is still a cockgobbling idiot.

2, If they take away the resale value, the price better plummet. Can you imagine what you'd pay for a car that had absolutely no resale value? That's one of the reasons Toyota always has a good name while Kias are always crapped on. If you buy a Toyota or Honda, it'll hold value pretty well. Buy a Kia and you'll be passing it down to your kid.

As long as all the makers don't do this at the same time (which should be collusion, I'd think), the consumer will speak quickly and whatever this 720 is (never heard of it, I presume 360v2) will be the next Dreamcast and Sony will reap the benefits.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:30 PM   #8
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Microsoft won me over with Xbox. I had owned a Playstation and Nintendo consoles to that point. Should they decide to go this route, I will happily leave them and continue to buy Nintendo consoles and switch right back to Sony for my "heavier" gaming needs.

Bioware and EA have been angling this route for some time.
Yes, but I guarantee that Gamestop, Best Buy, and many retail outlets will be pulling hard against this. Microsoft still needs the retail outlets to move its products. Until they can find an alternate distribution system, they aren't going to risk provoking their retail partners in this manner. They may try it for the X-box 1440 or what ever comes after the Xbox 720. By then the digital distribution methods may have sufficiently matured to effectively tell their retail partners to piss off.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:30 PM   #9
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Microsoft has been doing that with Office and other software for years. These games would effectively have a license of "1". You aren't buying the disc, you are buying the technical property that is on it.

I'd still be opposed to this, but the reasoning and precedent isn't as faulty as you claim.

However, I also couldn't get any further in that article than the blonde with the nice rack, so take that for what its worth.
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Playstation is better anyways. PC is even better. I wish more people were PC gamers so the gaming companies would focus on PC gaming more. Gamers don't even realize that they are screwing themselves.
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Microsoft has been doing that with Office and other software for years. These games would effectively have a license of "1". You aren't buying the disc, you are buying the technical property that is on it.

I'd still be opposed to this, but the reasoning and precedent isn't as faulty as you claim.

However, I also couldn't get any further in that article than the blonde with the nice rack, so take that for what its worth.
How many of you didnt click article link until this was said??
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How many of you didnt click article link until this was said??


I read the article and didn't notice her but was planning to go back.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:41 PM   #14
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Playstation is better anyways. PC is even better. I wish more people were PC gamers so the gaming companies would focus on PC gaming more. Gamers don't even realize that they are screwing themselves.
It really seems you have to have a computer dedicated to games to do it. I don't do anything on my computer but watch some movies here and there, surf basic internet, and do school work but it still gets hiccup'y after a while. That ruins games for me.

Also, when you start getting into firewall settings, random installation errors, etc... a computer is just so much more of a hassle. And it sucks because I very much prefer shoot-em games on a computer.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:44 PM   #15
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Microsoft has been doing that with Office and other software for years. These games would effectively have a license of "1". You aren't buying the disc, you are buying the technical property that is on it.

I'd still be opposed to this, but the reasoning and precedent isn't as faulty as you claim.

However, I also couldn't get any further in that article than the blonde with the nice rack, so take that for what its worth.
Well, with computer software you're dealing with a different beast. You install that software and then keep it forever. You never stop using Word so you can never honestly sell it and it wouldn't be effective to run it solely off the disk to allow it.

As for computer games, I've seen the online download concept and if people are paying full price for a game they can download and install once.. they're idiots.
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Oh, and last thing that I thought of then forgot before responding: When they do things like this, they push people to reconfigure their hardware. When they give people to go into their system in the first place, the people get a "while I'm in here..." attitude. The piracy will be much worse if they give people incentive to go in and start tweaking things than if they keep everything simple but avoid giving incentives.
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And no luck on finding the bikini clad girl. I had a World of Warcraft ad...
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Xbox should just move to digital downloads for all game content. Honestly, what the hell are they waiting for?
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It really seems you have to have a computer dedicated to games to do it. I don't do anything on my computer but watch some movies here and there, surf basic internet, and do school work but it still gets hiccup'y after a while. That ruins games for me.

Also, when you start getting into firewall settings, random installation errors, etc... a computer is just so much more of a hassle. And it sucks because I very much prefer shoot-em games on a computer.
Limit the porn downloads!

The biggest complaint is usually cost. It does take a lot to keep up sometimes. The next good one is cheaters in online games, though I don't seem to see as many as some claim.

They can just make games so much bigger, with much better graphics. Then you can do stuff like mod games. I have to play shooters on the computer. The mouse and keyboard are so much better for shooting. I still play all sports/driving games on the PS3.
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Used games hurt the developers and the publishers, the two main forces behind video games. Basically, the money from used games only goes to the retail stores that sell it. The people who made the game make zero off of it. Now, on a micro scale, who cares, right? However, when things scale up like they do with game sales, then you're taking millions of dollars away from the talent because hundreds of thousands of people have bought used copies of your game for 10 bucks less than retail, and you saw none of that money.

I hope this is true and it happens. Don't by used games. You line the pockets of the wrong people.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:56 PM   #21
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Not really a great comparison. There are incentives to buy a car new. Digital property doesn't deteriorate, it was always run on it respective system just as well as the day purchased. The only incentive to buy a video game new is to get it on it's release date....or to not have to deal with Gamestop.

The used car business is no threat to the new car business because new cars are seen as superior. The used game business could be seen as a threat since it is literally the exact same product...but cheaper.
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Xbox should just move to digital downloads for all game content. Honestly, what the hell are they waiting for?
All consoles will do this at some point. PC is already doing it. They still sell disks, but then the disk just makes you connect to Steam or Origin anyways. The consoles will use these successful PC services as examples and start doing the same. It really does eliminate most of their comllaints, and is good for the users.
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Opinion: A Crime Against Consumers

A rumored plan to block Xbox 720 from playing used games is both morally wrong, and dangerous to the future of gaming.

Have you ever bought a used car? Do you frequent those loveliest of places, second-hand bookstores? Will you be wearing, at some point soon, a cherished article of clothing purchased from a sweet lady at a thrift store?

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http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217310p1.html

prediction: Xbox sales will plummet if this happens...
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How on earth would an xbox determine if the game is "used" or not.

Activation code is the only way they can go and they'll spend even more money fielding the support calls.
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So, if you're against this does that mean you worship McDaniels?
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