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Old 01-14-2012, 08:59 PM   #1
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John Elway called it a three year plan moving forward from a 4-12 season. A playoff win in the first year was pretty impressive.

How does our relative success this year, win at home against the Steelers followed up by a blowout effect potential free agents pickups?

We need another shutdown corner if we're going to run this keep-em-close style of run-and-gun offense. We also need to replace Dawkins at Safety, who will likely be retiring.

Mays was getting schooled all night (all year) by TEs... we need a MLB who can cover end-to-end.

Offensively... I'm sorry but a new LG is probably a must moving forward. Beadles will provide depth because he can play any position, but lets keep him at #1 backup.

A solid TE will help keep Tebow more comfortable.

Running back is another issue moving forward. McGahee is old. Neither McGahee or Moreno are full-time backs.
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:03 PM   #2
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John Elway called it a three year plan moving forward from a 4-12 season. A playoff win in the first year was pretty impressive.

How does our relative success this year, win at home against the Steelers followed up by a blowout effect potential free agents pickups?

We need another shutdown corner if we're going to run this keep-em-close style of run-and-gun offense. We also need to replace Dawkins at Safety, who will likely be retiring.

Mays was getting schooled all night (all year) by TEs... we need a MLB who can cover end-to-end.

Offensively... I'm sorry but a new LG is probably a must moving forward. Beadles will provide depth because he can play any position, but lets keep him at #1 backup.

A solid TE will help keep Tebow more comfortable.

Running back is another issue moving forward. McGahee is old. Neither McGahee or Moreno are full-time backs.
I agree with your assessments. I am pleased by the improvement in record and a win in the playoffs. However, the league doesn't stay static and Denver will have its hands full even repeating in the AFC West next year.
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I'm not sure NFL players are going to buy into Tebow. Those on the team might because they were a part of the wins but FAs? I don't know about that. Especially not offensive players.

And, overall, if only a handful of plays happened differently, this is a 4-12 squad all over again. I don't think that'll instill confidence in anyone wanting to jump on the bandwagon. I wouldn't expect Denver to be a popular destination.
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I'm not sure NFL players are going to buy into Tebow. Those on the team might because they were a part of the wins but FAs? I don't know about that. Especially not offensive players.

And, overall, if only a handful of plays happened differently, this is a 4-12 squad all over again. I don't think that'll instill confidence in anyone wanting to jump on the bandwagon. I wouldn't expect Denver to be a popular destination.
They might not buy into the coaching staff.
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They might not buy into the coaching staff.
That could be too.

A staff that throws in the towel rather than coming up with a radical new concept to try at halftime of a playoff game probably doesn't instill confidence in anyone.

And if they DO believe in Tebow, the questions of not truly catering the O to him fully and why they insisted on handcuffing him all season (from a Tebow believer's hypothetical perspective) also wouldn't instill confidence.
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:18 PM   #6
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Another shutdown CB doesn't help against a team that uses TEs. Or slot receivers. And that is pretty much everyone left in the playoffs. We need to continue building in the front 7. I like pressure, pressure, pressure. That and a safety that can actually cover the slot/TE receiver.
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What kind of offense will they run next year because the option has been exposed
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Another shutdown CB doesn't help against a team that uses TEs. Or slot receivers. And that is pretty much everyone left in the playoffs. We need to continue building in the front 7. I like pressure, pressure, pressure. That and a safety that can actually cover the slot/TE receiver.
A good consistent pass rush is a great equalizer. The lack of a pass rush has been our achilles heel for quite a while. It looked good until Von was hurt but has been fairly absent the last six games or so. We haven't had a LB or Safety who could consistently cover a TE for quite a while.
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A good consistent pass rush is a great equalizer. The lack of a pass rush has been our achilles heel for quite a while. It looked good until Von was hurt but has been fairly absent the last six games or so. We haven't had a LB or Safety who could consistently cover a TE for quite a while.
I didn't read the article but I saw recently a blurb about suspicions that Elvis was hurt. Did we even hear his name tonight? A healthy Elvis and Von made a big difference but maybe they need some depth guys behind them. Ayers had some flashes but wouldn't be the kind of guy to carry the D, either.
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I didn't read the article but I saw recently a blurb about suspicions that Elvis was hurt. Did we even hear his name tonight? A healthy Elvis and Von made a big difference but maybe they need some depth guys behind them. Ayers had some flashes but wouldn't be the kind of guy to carry the D, either.
I saw that Elvis was limited in practice this week but didn't know how serious the situation was. It would be nice to get some push up the middle. If we are going to stay with the 4-3, Von must improve off the LOS and in coverage and become a legitimate 3 down player.
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That could be too.

A staff that throws in the towel rather than coming up with a radical new concept to try at halftime of a playoff game probably doesn't instill confidence in anyone.

And if they DO believe in Tebow, the questions of not truly catering the O to him fully and why they insisted on handcuffing him all season (from a Tebow believer's hypothetical perspective) also wouldn't instill confidence.
Just have to wait and see what happens. Mike Martz is available for OC.
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Reality is Dumervil is just too small to be a full-time starter in a 4-3. He gets worn down by the end of the season. This teams needs more talent, guys that can make plays, more speed.
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Another shutdown CB doesn't help against a team that uses TEs. Or slot receivers. And that is pretty much everyone left in the playoffs. We need to continue building in the front 7. I like pressure, pressure, pressure. That and a safety that can actually cover the slot/TE receiver.
I agree. Watching Justin Smith today I was just thinking what an addition that kind of player would be to the Broncos. It would completely change the landscape of the defense. One player.
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Any smart football player is going to have more issues with the coaching staff than Tebow. No doubt about it.
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Reality is Dumervil is just too small to be a full-time starter in a 4-3. He gets worn down by the end of the season. This teams needs more talent, guys that can make plays, more speed.
If conditioning is sincerely the issue, it could be that he tries to bulk up to be the prototype 4-3 end. Some people just have trouble overcoming that. I've also heard players complain of injuries caused by it. Maybe he just isn't meant to thrive in a 4-3 for extended periods of time.
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Just have to wait and see what happens. Mike Martz is available for OC.
Mike Martz does run an offense that is closer to Tebow's comfort zone, but we don't have the receivers for it at all. And really I want a balanced attack god damn it. We've gone from McD who didn't know what a run was to the polar opposite with Fox and McCoy. I just want an offense like what the 49ers run: completely balanced.
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If conditioning is sincerely the issue, it could be that he tries to bulk up to be the prototype 4-3 end. Some people just have trouble overcoming that. I've also heard players complain of injuries caused by it. Maybe he just isn't meant to thrive in a 4-3 for extended periods of time.
He should be a pass rush specialist, but not starting but since Ayers isn't much of a pass rusher, they have no choice but start him right now.
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It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).
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It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).
If they keep the 95% run on 1st down philosophy next year I may have an aneurysm do to my blinding fits of rage...
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It still amazed me they were running on first down constantly. Maybe try something different. Tebow was leaving plays on the field by not taking the short stuff, but running over and over and over on first down is (you put in the epithet).
Have to agree that Tebow needs to work on the short game in the offseason. If he gets that going the O will get better. The first down runs need to be scrapped and some kind of balance made. Hopefully we get the people in the Offseason to get better on both sides of the lines ( and IN the lines)
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We need more speed on offense. A burner at RB and WR would do wonders for this offense.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:33 PM   #23
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Yup. I actually feel bad for Tebow. McGahee was in and out of the lineup and doesn't have much left in the tank. Decker, Thomas and even Royal are all basically possession receivers. TE is a black hole in our lineup. We need to change some things going into next season and give Tebow some help. Hard for a young player to grow when he's forced to do much of the work on his own.
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The zone read option still works fine. I dunno why they bother with that stretch one
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my read on the sitch also calls for more quality pass-rushers before corners. We have plenty of young safeties and methinks we should let that scene simmer, plus Champ will probably be back there soon.

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a fuggin TE would do wonders. It seems Kupe was a momentous loss. Demaryius and Decker are a legit tandem. the Willis and Noshow show should get another year, IMO. I haven't quite given up on Moreno yet.


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