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[Rohirrim]

The failure of the economy was not caused by the size of government, or even by government itself.

It was caused by a dysfunctional, unprincipled and uncontrolled capitalist system operating on the theory that greed is a beneficial value.

Also, the majority of wealth in this country, over the last thirty years, has been funneled upwards, into the wallets of the already wealthy - the job creators.

They are not using it to create jobs.

Also, we are not helping a totalitarian regime in China build up it's nationalist army while it steals our innovations, technology and jobs (and works under the table to support terrorism against us) because this is a government policy created in the interests of our general welfare, but because the out of control greedy capitalists (noted above) who control our government are making a great amount of profit from this policy (especially Walmart).

When the Right argues that their policies support small business, remember that their policies truly support companies like Walmart, a corporation which has put more small businesses out of business than any government regulation ever did.

The above mentioned uber-wealthy want to end all social programs, including public education, in the United States for one reason, and one reason only: They don't need them and they don't want to pay for them. They can afford private schools for their kids, private health care for their families, full retirement benefits, and all the housing, fuel and food they could ever possibly need. In fact, the cost of those items is pretty much immaterial to their lifestyles.

When you hear people like Romney, McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, et al arguing to end these programs, keep in mind, they don't need them, and never will.

The current arguments by the candidates in South Carolina trying to take down Romney illustrate that the Right is fully cognizant of, and believes in all those arguments above, which they are now using against Romney.

A vote for Romney is a vote for vulture captalism, which is a good thing.

After all, they have turned America into a carcass.

Who better to finish it off?

Thank you for your support.

[alkemical]

I find it funny that Plotiticians argue over cutting entitlement programs - while voting themselves increases in their own entitlement programs.

Is that capitalistic? Greedy? Is Greed good? Are we rewarding Greed?

[Requiem]

[sinuous sausage]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The failure of the economy was not caused by the size of government, or even by government itself.

It was caused by a dysfunctional, unprincipled and uncontrolled capitalist system operating on the theory that greed is a beneficial value.

Also, the majority of wealth in this country, over the last thirty years, has been funneled upwards, into the wallets of the already wealthy - the job creators.

They are not using it to create jobs.

Also, we are not helping a totalitarian regime in China build up it's nationalist army while it steals our innovations, technology and jobs (and works under the table to support terrorism against us) because this is a government policy created in the interests of our general welfare, but because the out of control greedy capitalists (noted above) who control our government are making a great amount of profit from this policy (especially Walmart).

When the Right argues that their policies support small business, remember that their policies truly support companies like Walmart, a corporation which has put more small businesses out of business than any government regulation ever did.

The above mentioned uber-wealthy want to end all social programs, including public education, in the United States for one reason, and one reason only: They don't need them and they don't want to pay for them. They can afford private schools for their kids, private health care for their families, full retirement benefits, and all the housing, fuel and food they could ever possibly need. In fact, the cost of those items is pretty much immaterial to their lifestyles.

When you hear people like Romney, McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, et al arguing to end these programs, keep in mind, they don't need them, and never will.

The current arguments by the candidates in South Carolina trying to take down Romney illustrate that the Right is fully cognizant of, and believes in all those arguments above, which they are now using against Romney.

A vote for Romney is a vote for vulture captalism, which is a good thing.

After all, they have turned America into a carcass.

Who better to finish it off?

Thank you for your support.

I disagree.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by sinuous sausage

I disagree.

I am in awe of your erudition.

[Blart]

Conservative mindset:

Government = evil
The Market = good

Nothing can change the above belief, since it was written clearly in the bible or the constitution, probably both.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The failure of the economy was not caused by the size of government, or even by government itself.

It was caused by a dysfunctional, unprincipled and uncontrolled capitalist system operating on the theory that greed is a beneficial value.

Also, the majority of wealth in this country, over the last thirty years, has been funneled upwards, into the wallets of the already wealthy - the job creators.

They are not using it to create jobs.

Also, we are not helping a totalitarian regime in China build up it's nationalist army while it steals our innovations, technology and jobs (and works under the table to support terrorism against us) because this is a government policy created in the interests of our general welfare, but because the out of control greedy capitalists (noted above) who control our government are making a great amount of profit from this policy (especially Walmart).

When the Right argues that their policies support small business, remember that their policies truly support companies like Walmart, a corporation which has put more small businesses out of business than any government regulation ever did.

The above mentioned uber-wealthy want to end all social programs, including public education, in the United States for one reason, and one reason only: They don't need them and they don't want to pay for them. They can afford private schools for their kids, private health care for their families, full retirement benefits, and all the housing, fuel and food they could ever possibly need. In fact, the cost of those items is pretty much immaterial to their lifestyles.

When you hear people like Romney, McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, et al arguing to end these programs, keep in mind, they don't need them, and never will.

The current arguments by the candidates in South Carolina trying to take down Romney illustrate that the Right is fully cognizant of, and believes in all those arguments above, which they are now using against Romney.

A vote for Romney is a vote for vulture captalism, which is a good thing.

After all, they have turned America into a carcass.

Who better to finish it off?

Thank you for your support.

I agree in principle with much of your post, that being said the USA has to become a landing spot for innovation and manufacturing and that will only happen if the corporate tax rate is lowered, with the loopholes being closed (in other words simplifying the tax codes) and much of the red tape that prohibits growth is stripped away (i.e. sarbanes oxley).

As for the red paragraph, I'm not sure where you are getting this info. from. I don't know of any wealthy people (personally I know a lot of them) who want to do away with education. In fact, most if not all of the wealthy understand the value of education and by-and-large support programs that benefit the educational system, especially higher education. Sure, they can afford to put their kids into whatever college they want, but that doesn't mean they want to take away the poor's ability to also get an education. Again, they understand that people have to be educated in order to hold down a job.

The basis for a thriving Democracy has always been education. The founding fathers knew that a democracy will only work if the population is educated. Unfortunately we live in a society where a great majority of people don't understand the system and really don't care either--apathy.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Blart

Conservative mindset:

Government = evil
The Market = good

Nothing can change the above belief, since it was written clearly in the bible or the constitution, probably both.

This is way over simplifying the situation.

[Meck77]

Comical as our government is now requesting another $1,200,000,000,000 after they just got a couple trillion in August.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/obama-...iling-increase

Blame who you want on the spending. It's much too large compared to our GDP.

Gold on the rise again.........AK you still want to make that bet that gold is going back to $1,000?

[sinuous sausage]

I've just found political disputes have little-to-no value when we can't even agree on higher principles: such as who/what we are and what we're supposed to do and why. Of course we're going to take different views in the debate on how much we should spend funding social programs.

[Bronx33]

So a large money wasting government is good then?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

So a large money wasting government is good then?

That doesn't mean a small cheap government is therefore good.

"Good", "small" and "cheap" are not synonyms.

[barryr]

Originally Posted by W*GS

That doesn't mean a small cheap government is therefore good.

"Good", "small" and "cheap" are not synonyms.

Large and good as we have seen are not the same either and explained away as "better than small and cheap" is hardly going to help turn the country around and a rather weak, intellectually lazy excuse to say the least.

[Arkie]

Originally Posted by Blart

Conservative mindset:

Government = evil
The Market = good

Nothing can change the above belief, since it was written clearly in the bible or the constitution, probably both.

I believe there is good government, bad government, free markets, and rigged markets. The government rigs the market to benefit their cronies on Wall St, and ignorant people demand bigger government to control the big bad rigged market. In a totally free market, both labor and capital would receive the greatest possible reward. Only the government can fix the market to favor the few. The US began rigging our market in 1809 with the creation of patents.

[sinuous sausage]

Libs fall victim to the "law of unintended consequences" far more often than conservatives seem to, IMO. Whether that's notions of income distribution or means of production or ideas of who and what deserves a right, progressives tend to think not much past the emotional argument of any topic. Granted, Righties aren't really idealists, which isn't necessarily a good thing, but Lefties are wont to discount this whole idea of reality, which also isn't necessarily a good thing. Only ignorant people think everyone should "just get along" and "pay their fair share": a cursory glance at the history books shows the people who often go around moralizing aboot that type of stuff turn out to be the ones who abuse it. They tend to think that since the ends are so high-minded, the means don't really matter.

^That's just my experience growing up in the Bay Area and Boulder. I wanted to be a liberal, but common sense wouldn't let me. The Christian Right, too, piss me off. I think it's just mankind in general that is on my ****list, so don't take it personally.

[sinuous sausage]

Originally Posted by Arkie

I believe there is good government, bad government, free markets, and rigged markets. The government rigs the market to benefit their cronies on Wall St, and ignorant people demand bigger government to control the big bad rigged market. In a totally free market, both labor and capital would receive the greatest possible reward. Only the government can fix the market to favor the few. The US began rigging our market in 1809 with the creation of patents.

we live in a world in which things aren't allow to fail. and it ruins everything. creative destruction is the beating heart of capitalism.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by W*GS

That doesn't mean a small cheap government is therefore good.

"Good", "small" and "cheap" are not synonyms.

wow

[ghwk]

I think the dissonance here for me is that the right would argue that the more we move towards this fictional unregulated free market the closer we will get to an equilibrium and everything will take care of itself. There can't be a free market in a corrupt system so you have to have govt. regulation.

[pricejj]

Big government entitlement programs promote a desertion of responsibility. Communism/Socialism does not work because if I can get the same lifestyle if I work, or if I do not work...then I will not work. It's human nature. Non-productivity creates inefficiency. Inefficient economies fail. Why? One reason is, ever-increasing levels of inactivity produce ever-decreasing amounts of tax revenue. Which creates deficits, and ever-increasing levels of taxation to collect an equal amount of tax revenue. Ever-increasing tax rates prohibit profitability, killing private sector jobs, increasing dependence on entitlements...and reducing tax revenue. The federal government is forced to borrow more and more money, eventually drowning in interest payments.

Economic Death Spiral.

[Atwater 27]

The problem with our capitalist sytem is that it is too restrained, not a true market. The government with subsidies and overregulation too often picks and chooses the winners and losers in the market; propping up businesses that should have failed and punishing businesses that are achieving. Small and medium sized companies have to wade through confusing and expensive regulatory conditions, while large companies cruise through them with more resources available to deal with them. Ironically, this situation encourages monopolies and discourages healthy competition which is good for EVERYONE. And throw in for good measure our insane judicial system that has allowed ridiculous lawsuits to further erode capitalism and raise prices for just about everything under the sun.

Socialistic Capitalism. Destined to fail, and the libs will say it is capitalism that is the root of our problems. They are so full of **** it's laughable.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Blart

Conservative mindset:

Government = evil
The Market = good

Nothing can change the above belief, since it was written clearly in the bible or the constitution, probably both.

That speaks more to the fact that you have some ignorant stereotypes than anything else.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by pricejj

Big government entitlement programs promote a desertion of responsibility. Communism/Socialism does not work because if I can get the same lifestyle if I work, or if I do not work...then I will not work. It's human nature. Non-productivity creates inefficiency. Inefficient economies fail. Why? One reason is, ever-increasing levels of inactivity produce ever-decreasing amounts of tax revenue. Which creates deficits, and ever-increasing levels of taxation to collect an equal amount of tax revenue. Ever-increasing tax rates prohibit profitability, killing private sector jobs, increasing dependence on entitlements...and reducing tax revenue. The federal government is forced to borrow more and more money, eventually drowning in interest payments.

Economic Death Spiral.

Wow!

I'll give you one thing - you are a master when it comes to the ability to shoehorn as many straw man arguments as possible into one paragraph!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The failure of the economy was not caused by the size of government, or even by government itself.

It was caused by a dysfunctional, unprincipled and uncontrolled capitalist system operating on the theory that greed is a beneficial value.

Also, the majority of wealth in this country, over the last thirty years, has been funneled upwards, into the wallets of the already wealthy - the job creators.

They are not using it to create jobs.

Also, we are not helping a totalitarian regime in China build up it's nationalist army while it steals our innovations, technology and jobs (and works under the table to support terrorism against us) because this is a government policy created in the interests of our general welfare, but because the out of control greedy capitalists (noted above) who control our government are making a great amount of profit from this policy (especially Walmart).

When the Right argues that their policies support small business, remember that their policies truly support companies like Walmart, a corporation which has put more small businesses out of business than any government regulation ever did.

The above mentioned uber-wealthy want to end all social programs, including public education, in the United States for one reason, and one reason only: They don't need them and they don't want to pay for them. They can afford private schools for their kids, private health care for their families, full retirement benefits, and all the housing, fuel and food they could ever possibly need. In fact, the cost of those items is pretty much immaterial to their lifestyles.

When you hear people like Romney, McConnell, Cantor, Boehner, et al arguing to end these programs, keep in mind, they don't need them, and never will.

The current arguments by the candidates in South Carolina trying to take down Romney illustrate that the Right is fully cognizant of, and believes in all those arguments above, which they are now using against Romney.

A vote for Romney is a vote for vulture captalism, which is a good thing.

After all, they have turned America into a carcass.

Who better to finish it off?

Thank you for your support.

Home run.

Well done!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Home run.

Well done! :

If LAFF likes it, you know its sub-standard.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by epicSocialism4tw

If LAFF likes it, you know its sub-standard.

If epicSpammer dislikes it, then you know it contains facts, truth, and/or logic.