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Old 05-31-2012, 07:26 AM   #626
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Odd then that, when given the opportunity to sign said "franchise quarterback" this past offseason, not one team was willing to give up anything better than the crap low round picks we got for him. And the one team that did sign him has zero interest in making him their QB.
you gotta understand,noone knows football like jay3. NFl teams/coaches are all idiots. Jay3 likes to sit behind a computer,as opposed to turning in a resume to an NFL team.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:52 AM   #627
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you gotta understand,noone knows football like jay3. NFl teams/coaches are all idiots. Jay3 likes to sit behind a computer,as opposed to turning in a resume to an NFL team.
Yeah, and all those teams the Broncos beat shouldda just listened to Defensive Coordinator Peacepipe, so the TeBroncos would've ended 4-12 and you'd be totally internetz message-board-validated.

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Old 05-31-2012, 07:54 AM   #628
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Odd then that, when given the opportunity to sign said "franchise quarterback" this past offseason, not one team was willing to give up anything better than the crap low round picks we got for him. And the one team that did sign him has zero interest in making him their QB.
1. Same could be said for Steve Young.

2. The Jets let their freshly signed #2 QB go for nothing when they added Tebow, clearly making him Mark Sanchez' competition.
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1. Same could be said for Steve Young.

2. The Jets let their freshly signed #2 QB go for nothing when they added Tebow, clearly making him Mark Sanchez' competition.
1. Great. In the entire history of the NFL, we have one comp who went on to have a great career.

2. Competition implies Tebow is getting equal snaps with the 1s in non-gimmick plays. That is clearly not the case. He's the #2, sure, so there's some element of "competition" if Sanchez really craps the bed during the season. But right now Sanchez is the clear #1 and Tebow is not even close to unseating him.
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2. Competition implies Tebow is getting equal snaps with the 1s in non-gimmick plays. That is clearly not the case. He's the #2, sure, so there's some element of "competition" if Sanchez really craps the bed during the season. But right now Sanchez is the clear #1 and Tebow is not even close to unseating him.
Wow, the definition of "competition" sure has changed since last offseason.
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So what ever happened to that guy Tim Tebow anyway? Any news?
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:21 AM   #632
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1. Great. In the entire history of the NFL, we have one comp who went on to have a great career.

2. Competition implies Tebow is getting equal snaps with the 1s in non-gimmick plays. That is clearly not the case. He's the #2, sure, so there's some element of "competition" if Sanchez really craps the bed during the season. But right now Sanchez is the clear #1 and Tebow is not even close to unseating him.
I could come up with many more, I just chose not to. Rich Gannon changed teams multiple times and was told he couldn't play QB in the NFL, needed to become a DB. He went to a Super Bowl and won a league MVP. Doug Flutie was ran out of the league, dominated the CFL, then returned and was a standout QB for a good while. Randall Cunningham's career saw some serious highs and lows, early on he was used in much the same way the Jets now plan to use Tebow. By the end of it he had one of the best seasons any NFL QB has ever had.

As I said, I could go on all day long about times when X player was told he didn't have what it took to play QB in the NFL, but through raw talent and hard work proved the doubters, then highly paid NFL execs, wrong.

Also, if the Jets didn't view Tebow as legitimate competition for Sanchez why did Drew Stanton immediately want out and why did the Jets so willingly comply? Sanchez has been put on notice and only a weak extension low on real money prevented this from being a full on lame duck season for him. Tebow is a serious threat to take his job by mid-season.
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Also, if the Jets didn't view Tebow as legitimate competition for Sanchez why did Drew Stanton immediately want out and why did the Jets so willingly comply? Sanchez has been put on notice and only a weak extension low on real money prevented this from being a full on lame duck season for him. Tebow is a serious threat to take his job by mid-season.
We invested a lot more in Brock than the Jets did in Tebow. I guess Manning better start looking over his shoulder.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:30 AM   #634
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I don't know about all around "great", but he was certainly exciting and there was a certain magic about him, too. His run was easily the most enjoyable time alot of fans have had in the post-Shanny era. He's got some serious flaws, but I wish him well and hope for all the best for him. With more hard work, he will get better and better.
I enjoyed the McD run early on more. I actually thought we struck gold with our new young HC, found a hidden gem in Orton and were going to dominate for years to come. With Teebs it was exciting as hell but deep down (no matter how much I tried to lie to myself) I knew it was not a long term sustainable answer. It felt great having all the breaks go our way after the run we have had the past few years. But consistently blowing people out by 30 is where you need to be to contend for a Lombardi.
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I enjoyed the McD run early on more. I actually thought we struck gold with our new young HC, found a hidden gem in Orton and were going to dominate for years to come. With Teebs it was exciting as hell but deep down (no matter how much I tried to lie to myself) I knew it was not a long term sustainable answer. It felt great having all the breaks go our way after the run we have had the past few years. But consistently blowing people out by 30 is where you need to be to contend for a Lombardi.
And Exhibit A is the New York Giants?
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And Exhibit A is the New York Giants?


A few things go different and the Giants aren't in the SB. A few things go different and the Pats win that game. Those things will always happen. The best chance to actually win a SB is to be in the conversation year in year out. To consistently be in the conversation you need more then lucky breaks to carry you.
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1. Same could be said for Steve Young.

2. The Jets let their freshly signed #2 QB go for nothing when they added Tebow, clearly making him Mark Sanchez' competition.
The Jets got a 6th round pick out of a guy that was on the team a week. I think they made out OK.
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A few things go different and the Giants aren't in the SB. A few things go different and the Pats win that game. Those things will always happen. The best chance to actually win a SB is to be in the conversation year in year out. To consistently be in the conversation you need more then lucky breaks to carry you.
The Ravens and Steelers are in the conversation every year, but they rarely blow people out.

The Niners weren't crushing teams, but probably would've gone to the dance had the Giants not caught a break or two (really who doesn't?)

Blowouts are more an indicator that a good offense is playing a poor defense. It's possible for that good offense to win a title, don't get me wrong. But it's just as likely (if not more so) for a great defensive team to do the same while rarely blowing any teams away on the scoreboard.

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Tebow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess some people cannot let go. Tebowwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We invested a lot more in Brock than the Jets did in Tebow. I guess Manning better start looking over his shoulder.
So by your standard Osweiler isn't the QB of the future here then, right? I mean, only spent a second on him and we aren't letting him compete now, so he's obviously just a stopgap right?

Again, how much did the 49ers invest in Steve Young? He ended up taking a Hall of Fame QB's job.

How much did the Bills invest in Flutie versus Rob Johnson? Who eventually took over there?

Who was Arizona more invested in, Warner or Leinart? Who QB'ed them in the Super Bowl?

Price is set by the market. The market for Tebow was destroyed by the polarizing nature of Tebow's skill set among scouts and by the Broncos own poor handling of the situation (making it clear he was getting traded or cut, no other alternatives). The real value of an asset can often outstrip it's market value, or vice versa (look at the Facebook IPO compared to current market value, early market was too high, it has now begun correction).

When NFL players vote a guy to be a top 100 player in the league it is pretty hard to argue that he is only worth a 4th round pick and will never amount to anything. Players know how dynamic a talent Tebow is, the real question is what role and for what team he finds his niche.
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The Jets got a 6th round pick out of a guy that was on the team a week. I think they made out OK.
The Jets swapped a 7th for a 6th and ate Drew Stanton's $500K signing bonus. Calling that a wash for the Jets when said $500K bonus could have signed two UDFAs of comparable talent to the guys available in the 6th and 7th rounds is being generous.
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So by your standard Osweiler isn't the QB of the future here then, right? I mean, only spent a second on him and we aren't letting him compete now, so he's obviously just a stopgap right?

Again, how much did the 49ers invest in Steve Young? He ended up taking a Hall of Fame QB's job.

How much did the Bills invest in Flutie versus Rob Johnson? Who eventually took over there?

Who was Arizona more invested in, Warner or Leinart? Who QB'ed them in the Super Bowl?

Price is set by the market. The market for Tebow was destroyed by the polarizing nature of Tebow's skill set among scouts and by the Broncos own poor handling of the situation (making it clear he was getting traded or cut, no other alternatives). The real value of an asset can often outstrip it's market value, or vice versa (look at the Facebook IPO compared to current market value, early market was too high, it has now begun correction).

When NFL players vote a guy to be a top 100 player in the league it is pretty hard to argue that he is only worth a 4th round pick and will never amount to anything. Players know how dynamic a talent Tebow is, the real question is what role and for what team he finds his niche.
the market for tebow was destroyed by what teams saw on the field from tebow.
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Wow, the definition of "competition" sure has changed since last offseason.
Lol. Right. This place is hilarious. Cutler sux he isnt plummer and doesnt have the beard. Oh wait cutler is starting. Cutler is AWESOME. Oh wait we traded cutler? **** that guy. This orton guy is okay...wait now he sucks. Too bad we don't have a qb to compete. Oh wait who is this tebow guy? He suck an will nv see the field. Oh wait... he's on the field and were winning. Too bad he is a horrible passer and leader and will nv accomplish anything in nfl. Oh wait... were in the playoffs!!! Woo. Too bad we are playing the best run d an that's all tebow can do? We are dooooommmmeeddd. Oh wait this kid can throw too!! Yay first playoff win in 7 yrs. This guy is awesome. Oh wait we traded him? **** that guy he was a pos.

Same goes in political forum here. Mccain is awesome.. **** that guy. Santorum is awesome... **** that guy. Romney is awesome because he isn't obama. Obama is awesome cause he has a d next to his name.

This place is a joke cause most everyone here is do not question the front office... do no question the establishment.
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So by your standard Osweiler isn't the QB of the future here then, right? I mean, only spent a second on him and we aren't letting him compete now, so he's obviously just a stopgap right?
Now you're on a different argument (current competition vs potential distant future starter). Let's try to stick with one at a time.

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Again, how much did the 49ers invest in Steve Young? He ended up taking a Hall of Fame QB's job.
So Young was taking snaps on the punt team after SF signed him?

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How much did the Bills invest in Flutie versus Rob Johnson? Who eventually took over there?
Same here.

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Who was Arizona more invested in, Warner or Leinart? Who QB'ed them in the Super Bowl?
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Price is set by the market. The market for Tebow was destroyed by the polarizing nature of Tebow's skill set among scouts and by the Broncos own poor handling of the situation (making it clear he was getting traded or cut, no other alternatives).
No. As was pointed out above, his performance and how it translated to other team's systems killed his market.

If so much as two teams wanted him to be their starting QB, then the market would've been exponentially stronger and would've resulted in a bidding war. That didn't happen. Nobody was willing to call him a starting QB.

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When NFL players vote a guy to be a top 100 player in the league it is pretty hard to argue that he is only worth a 4th round pick and will never amount to anything. Players know how dynamic a talent Tebow is, the real question is what role and for what team he finds his niche.
Big difference between being named a top 100 player and being named a top 10 QB. We're arguing his potential as a franchise QB in this league. Right now, all 32 teams in the league prefer the QB they already have on their rosters to him.
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This place is a joke cause most everyone here is do not question the front office... do no question the establishment.
1. If this place is such a joke to you, then leave. Nobody's forcing you to post here.

2. This statement couldn't be more false. PRETTY MUCH ALL WE DO HERE is question and find fault with the decisions Bowlen and Co. make.

Name one decision this board was 100% in agreement with.
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Lol. Right. This place is hilarious. Cutler sux he isnt plummer and doesnt have the beard. Oh wait cutler is starting. Cutler is AWESOME. Oh wait we traded cutler? **** that guy. This orton guy is okay...wait now he sucks. Too bad we don't have a qb to compete. Oh wait who is this tebow guy? He suck an will nv see the field. Oh wait... he's on the field and were winning. Too bad he is a horrible passer and leader and will nv accomplish anything in nfl. Oh wait... were in the playoffs!!! Woo. Too bad we are playing the best run d an that's all tebow can do? We are dooooommmmeeddd. Oh wait this kid can throw too!! Yay first playoff win in 7 yrs. This guy is awesome. Oh wait we traded him? **** that guy he was a pos.

Same goes in political forum here. Mccain is awesome.. **** that guy. Santorum is awesome... **** that guy. Romney is awesome because he isn't obama. Obama is awesome cause he has a d next to his name.

This place is a joke cause most everyone here is do not question the front office... do no question the establishment.
Yeah this would be right if a ton of people didn't hate Tebow while he was starting. This didn't just start when Denver traded him lol.
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1. If this place is such a joke to you, then leave. Nobody's forcing you to post here.

2. This statement couldn't be more false. PRETTY MUCH ALL WE DO HERE is question and find fault with the decisions Bowlen and Co. make.

Name one decision this board was 100% in agreement with.
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