Curious, how many liberals here believe in God?

[Bob]

It seems that (at least here on the Mane) that those who are furthest left, have the most issues with even the possibility of God, unless God can be morphed into the state of course.

I wonder why that is, or if it just seems like it because of the vocal nature of the few here?

[W*GS]

I'm not a lefty liberal, but I don't believe in the Christian god.

Nor do I want the state to take on the role.

Do you always start discussions with strawmen?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bob

It seems that (at least here on the Mane) that those who are furthest left, have the most issues with even the possibility of God, unless God can be morphed into the state of course.

I wonder why that is, or if it just seems like it because of the vocal nature of the few here?

I made a sex tape

[Scarface]

How many Liberals believe in God?

I think a better question is how many Christians on the right call themselves Christians but are quick for America to go to war and okay with torture?

[Kid A]

It seems that (at least here on the Mane), all atheists are also Broncos fans!

I wonder why that is? Did the existential absurdity of the last few seasons draw them toward Bronco fandom?

[orinjkrush]

does the Pope count?

[hazefrog]

Me.... sorta. I think.

I feel like I fit on the left side of the paradigm and I believe there is *some* kind of spiritual aspect in life that drives all things. I don't know how to explain said aspect but I've definitely shed the "intellectual athiest" motif that is so trendy nowadays. Proudly clamoring about how "THERE IS NO GOD WE DIE AND THEN THATS IT" really is a short-sighted way of looking at reality.

[hazefrog]

Originally Posted by Bob

I wonder why that is, or if it just seems like it because of the vocal nature of the few here?

I attribute it to liberals being (in my opinion anyways) left-brain dominated people and the fact that organized religion in the western world has been hijacked by institutions which are very antithetical to what they preach.

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by hazefrog

Me.... sorta. I think.

I feel like I fit on the left side of the paradigm and I believe there is *some* kind of spiritual aspect in life that drives all things. I don't know how to explain said aspect but I've definitely shed the "intellectual athiest" motif that is so trendy nowadays. Proudly clamoring about how "THERE IS NO GOD WE DIE AND THEN THATS IT" really is a short-sighted way of looking at reality.

Reality is a very short-lived experience

[hazefrog]

Originally Posted by Inkana7

Reality is a very short-lived experience

prove it.

[DenverBrit]

Which one??

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by Scarface

How many Liberals believe in God?

I think a better question is how many Christians on the right call themselves Christians but are quick for America to go to war and okay with torture?

You've noticed that too.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Scarface

How many Liberals believe in God?

I think a better question is how many Christians on the right call themselves Christians but are quick for America to go to war and okay with torture?

Perhaps worthy of another thread.

[Bob]

Gallup surveyed 1,018 American adults from May 5-8. It asked 530 of these Americans “Do you believe in God?” and 488 of them “Do you believe in God or a universal spirit?”

Ninety-two percent of the first group said they believed in God, and 91 percent of the second group said they believed in God or a universal spirit.

Seven percent of the first group said they did not believe in God and 8 percent of the second group said they did not believe in God or a universal spirit.

In both groups, only 1 percent said they had no opinion on the matter.

When the combined results for both questions were broken down demographically certain patterns emerged.

98 percent of self-identified conservatives and 91 percent of moderates said they believed in God, but only 85 percent of liberals.

98 percent of self-identified Republicans said they believed in God, but only 90 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Independents.

96 percent of Southerners, 92 percent of Westerners, and 91 percent of Midwesterners said they believed in God, but only 86 percent of Easterners.

94 percent of college graduates said they believed in God, but only 87 percent of those with a post-graduate education.

94 percent of Americans between 30 and 49 years of age, 50 and 64 years of age, and 65 and older said they believed in God, but only 84 percent of those between 18 and 29 said they did.

Belief in God in the United States was almost universal until at least the late 1960s. According to historical Gallup polling numbers, 98 percent of Americans said they believe in God in surveys conducted in 1953, 1954, 1965 and 1967.

In 1967, only 1 percent of Americans said they did not believe in God.

So, actually the numbers are higher than what I thought for both groups...

I wonder if they have done a poll for Communists and godlessness?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Bob

I wonder if they have done a poll for Communists and godlessness?

I wonder if they did a poll for pedophilia and religious belief.

[Requiem]

See too much awesomeness in the world to not believe in something greater than me or my experience. Who or what that is -- I cannot say. Just something I've come to believe in a short 24 years on Earf.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I wonder if they did a poll for pedophilia and religious belief.

Im not Catholic, but I am assuming that you are attemptiing to paint a very broad brush of their faith, or all faiths because of what some wicked priests have done, under the cover of their faith? Next thing you know we will hear about the Crusades,and thier modern applications?

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by Bob

Im not Catholic, but I am assuming that you are attemptiing to paint a very broad brush of their faith, or all faiths because of what some wicked priests have done, under the cover of their faith? Next thing you know we will hear about the Crusades,and thier modern applications?

Right over your head.

[Rohirrim]

The right wing believes in individual freedom, just so long as everybody is a member of the same herd.

[Atwater 27]

Originally Posted by Scarface

How many Liberals believe in God?

I think a better question is how many Christians on the right call themselves Christians but are quick for America to go to war and okay with torture?

****ing barf. you paint with a broooaaaaad brush there guy.

[Atwater 27]

Originally Posted by Requiem

See too much awesomeness in the world to not believe in something greater than me or my experience. Who or what that is -- I cannot say. Just something I've come to believe in a short 24 years on Earf.

True that!

[Blart]

Progressive Christianity exists, ya know. They just don't have the funding and corporate lip service that evangelicals enjoy.

http://www.sojo.net/blogs/2011/12/08...-conservatives

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The right wing believes in individual freedom, just so long as everybody is a member of the same herd.

And thats where you are correct -- but may I add that a decent % of folks on the far left and far right both do the same thing the moment they have control. Think of all the new powers Obama inherited, and has now amplified. If a right wing progressive (one who loves exerting control) like Newt, gets elected we will grow government yet again.

Don’t see the world using European constructs. The Founders interpreted their world while measuring governmental influence and levels of compulsion using up and down constructs.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Blart

Progressive Christianity exists, ya know. They just don't have the funding and corporate lip service that evangelicals enjoy.

http://www.sojo.net/blogs/2011/12/08...-conservatives

Progressive Christainity goes one step further of combining the state with the church -- the state becomes the church. Collective salvation means the statist cant find their exaltation until he compells others (who have no interest) to act in those ways that are thought to be good for the collective and growing the power of the state.

Again not right and left nonsense. The battle is being fought along up and down battlefields, and the ignorant take turns fighting against their own interests and liberty according to who happens to be in charge at the moment.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Bob

Progressive Christainity goes one step further of combining the state with the church -- the state becomes the church. Collective salvation means the statist cant find their exaltation until he compells others (who have no interest) to act in those ways that are thought to be good for the collective and growing the power of the state.

Again not right and left nonsense. The battle is being fought along up and down battlefields, and the ignorant take turns fighting against their own interests and liberty according to who happens to be in charge at the moment.

Collective salvation is not biblical, but should be seen as an extrabiblical movement that values sociopolitical theory over biblical exegesis.