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Old 12-30-2011, 08:13 AM   #1
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There have been a lot of stories and media coverage about the return of Kyle Orton. Lots of people are questioning why the Broncos would cut Orton just to save a couple mil, knowing that he might return to face us. My response: Who cares!

Here's the bottom line: C'mon, It's Orton! If we can't beat an average QB like Orton on an average team like KC at HOME, then we DON'T deserve to go to the playoffs. Instead of being scared about facing Orton, we should be excited and psyched. It's Orton. He sucks. We ran him out of town. Orton ONLY plays well in practice or practice-like situations when no one is pressuring him. We should be licking our chops! Here's a guy who folds faster than a French army.

A lot has been made about Orton being highly motivated to knock us out because of the way he was treated. Maybe so. But don't underestimate how Orton treated the fans, as "I don't care (what they think)." And especially Tebow's motivation. Tebow was dismissed early and often by Orton, with Orton saying he was the clear starter and there wasn't any competition amongst Tebow or Brady Quinn. Orton wasn't a team player for those guys, giving veteran advice or support. Orton conducted himself like he was an elite QB during the preseason with no peers. Even the media believed it as Denver Post's Mike Klis gushed after a win over the Bills in preseason. "It appears Orton is all they need."

Um, not really. It became clear early on during the Regular season that Orton was all they needed to get rid of, sporting 1-4 record and a mediocre 75 QB rating with 8 TDs and 7 picks. Even now, with his new team the Chiefs Orton has thrown 2 picks and just 1 TD for a 2011 grand total of (more mediocrity) 9 TDs, 9 picks.

C'mon, It's Orton!

Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.

Tebow doesn't need to be great to win. Just do the usual 1 TD pass, 1 rushing TD and NOT turn the ball over.

But it's not all on him.

Special teams has to at least give the ball to the offense on the 20 yard line, and not on the 10 or worse due to their usual Stupid "illegal use of hands" or "blocking in the back" penalties.

The defense has to play solid on the ground and in the air, and Get after Orton.

The coaching staff has to run AND pass more than they did in the first game at KC. Don't be afraid to go for TDs instead of playing for FGs.

C'mon, It's Orton! It's the friggin' Chiefs. Let's get after them and earn our way to the playoffs!
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:14 AM   #2
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Does Orton owe you money ?
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:15 AM   #3
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Sorry, it will never be considered a good move. We made a division rival better while in a tight playoff race. Very stupid. No spin will change this fact.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:23 AM   #4
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It isn't Orton that scares me. Dude can take them up and down the field but then hits the force field of the red zone. No, it's the past several years end of the stretch "all you got to do is win this one" curse we have experienced over and over. My therapist says the only thing that will counter it is a win to get in.
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It's Kyle "mother****in'" Orton people!

The guy flat out SUCKS!!!
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:27 AM   #6
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It isnt like Orton is going to give any offensive secrets away .........
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:31 AM   #7
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You are right about one thing--we SHOULD expect to win this game.

We're playing a team that has no running game, suspect OL, and no good reason to care. Orton's just a side note, really. If we approach this game with the idea that we can lose, we effectively eliminate the intangible and psychological edge that playing a home game against a team with inferior talent with a coveted division title on the line provides us. Just get the m******r done.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:32 AM   #8
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There have been a lot of stories and media coverage about the return of Kyle Orton. Lots of people are questioning why the Broncos would cut Orton just to save a couple mil, knowing that he might return to face us. My response: Who cares!

Here's the bottom line: C'mon, It's Orton! If we can't beat an average QB like Orton on an average team like KC at HOME, then we DON'T deserve to go to the playoffs. Instead of being scared about facing Orton, we should be excited and psyched. It's Orton. He sucks. We ran him out of town. Orton ONLY plays well in practice or practice-like situations when no one is pressuring him. We should be licking our chops! Here's a guy who folds faster than a French army.

A lot has been made about Orton being highly motivated to knock us out because of the way he was treated. Maybe so. But don't underestimate how Orton treated the fans, as "I don't care (what they think)." And especially Tebow's motivation. Tebow was dismissed early and often by Orton, with Orton saying he was the clear starter and there wasn't any competition amongst Tebow or Brady Quinn. Orton wasn't a team player for those guys, giving veteran advice or support. Orton conducted himself like he was an elite QB during the preseason with no peers. Even the media believed it as Denver Post's Mike Klis gushed after a win over the Bills in preseason. "It appears Orton is all they need."

Um, not really. It became clear early on during the Regular season that Orton was all they needed to get rid of, sporting 1-4 record and a mediocre 75 QB rating with 8 TDs and 7 picks. Even now, with his new team the Chiefs Orton has thrown 2 picks and just 1 TD for a 2011 grand total of (more mediocrity) 9 TDs, 9 picks.

C'mon, It's Orton!

Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.

Tebow doesn't need to be great to win. Just do the usual 1 TD pass, 1 rushing TD and NOT turn the ball over.

But it's not all on him.

Special teams has to at least give the ball to the offense on the 20 yard line, and not on the 10 or worse due to their usual Stupid "illegal use of hands" or "blocking in the back" penalties.

The defense has to play solid on the ground and in the air, and Get after Orton.

The coaching staff has to run AND pass more than they did in the first game at KC. Don't be afraid to go for TDs instead of playing for FGs.

C'mon, It's Orton! It's the friggin' Chiefs. Let's get after them and earn our way to the playoffs!
Ultimate Jinx thread... thanks douche.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:32 AM   #9
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I think the gameplan for Orton should be simple. Blitz, blitz, and then blitz some more. He is not someone who is going to pick us apart if we constantly apply pressure. We need to be on him all day. He'll fold under the pressure. We've seen it often enough here in Denver.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:32 AM   #10
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I have always viewed Orton like a really really poor man's Tom Brady...

The reason I view them as similar is because they are both cerebral players who get by on skill more than athleticism. Similarly if you put the right kind of team around them they can be successful..

This was one of the big reasons I thought Tebow should start over Orton.. because the Broncos couldn't protect Orton. Tebow provides things no other passing QB could and would be a way of surviving without a decent offense around him.

But Orton in KC is a different situation than Orton on the Broncos.

Let's put it this way.... if you had 2 Tebow's.. would the Kansas City Chiefs with Tebow beat the Broncos with Tebow?

I think the KC team might win... KC appears to be a better team and protects their QB better and has a better run game and maybe a better D with the injuries on the Broncos.

Orton is also most dangerous in the short term when he hasn't been beat up physically. He can't take the physical abuse game in and game out. That helps him tremendously right now. You are getting all his positives without his negatives in such a short span of games.
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Again, if the defense can't pressure Orton into some interceptions, bad throws and sacks then we don't deserve to go to the playoffs.
We're really struggling to put any kind of pressure on opposing QBs right now and we just don't force interceptions, pass rush or not.

With a clean pocket and favourable match ups between his receivers and our piss poor secondary, I think Orton rips our defense to pieces between the 20s but our red zone defense will be key. Orton is notoriously bad in that area and that has been the case so far in his starts with the Chiefs so hopefully that will continue.

I think this will be a tough game and I think we lose, I just hope to God that the Raiders lose also. As far as I'm concerned, **** the whole "if we lose, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs", I just want a playoff game regardless of how we get there.
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Agreed, there's already enough ****ty karma heading into this game. I wouldn't add any more.

He said one thing right though. If we can't win we don't deserve a playoff spot.
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It's simple, I have little confidence in the Bronco's defense....Von and Dawkin's injuries have crippled them.

since 2005's loss to the Steelers, when has this team won a game when the season was on the line?
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We're really struggling to put any kind of pressure on opposing QBs right now and we just don't force interceptions, pass rush or not.

With a clean pocket and favourable match ups between his receivers and our piss poor secondary, I think Orton rips our defense to pieces between the 20s but our red zone defense will be key. Orton is notoriously bad in that area and that has been the case so far in his starts with the Chiefs so hopefully that will continue.

I think this will be a tough game and I think we lose, I just hope to God that the Raiders lose also. As far as I'm concerned, **** the whole "if we lose, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs", I just want a playoff game regardless of how we get there.
The key to any redzone offense is power running and tight ends , more then a drop back passing QB a mobile QB will hit pay dirt a few times , but nothing beats power football , one of the reasons the run and shoot failed in the nfl .. ... again football 101 ...
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It's simple, I have little confidence in the Bronco's defense....Von and Dawkin's injuries have crippled them.

since 2005's loss to the Steelers, when has this team won a game when the season was on the line?
You mean when we were oddly and constantly only rushing 3 or 4?

I was going nuts because our lack of pass rush. You can't pin that on Doom and Miller.
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This reminds me of the 2008 season when the Broncos players were already scheduling their flights out of town after the finale... even though they only needed to win that last game against the Chargers. There just wasn't much confidence in the locker room and that's where we seem to be now.

The Chefs D is playing much better than the Broncos D right now. The offenses are pretty similar.

But here is the bottom line. Teams have figured out how to stop the Broncos run game. I think we can still have some success running the ball but I don't think our defense can stop Kyle Orton from throwing all over the field. Christian Ponder and Fitzpatrick had their way with this defense. Kyle Orton won't have a problem either. As for blitzing him, that just opens up easy plays for McCluster who we won't be able to cover in space.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:44 AM   #17
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Pressure game has been Denver's fault for a long time.

Time to man up, and defeat the Chiefs and punish Orton.
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This reminds me of the 2008 season when the Broncos players were already scheduling their flights out of town after the finale... even though they only needed to win that last game against the Chargers. There just wasn't much confidence in the locker room and that's where we seem to be now.

The Chefs D is playing much better than the Broncos D right now. The offenses are pretty similar.

But here is the bottom line. Teams have figured out how to stop the Broncos run game. I think we can still have some success running the ball but I don't think our defense can stop Kyle Orton from throwing all over the field. Christian Ponder and Fitzpatrick had their way with this defense. Kyle Orton won't have a problem either. As for blitzing him, that just opens up easy plays for McCluster who we won't be able to cover in space.
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Sheesh.. such low confidence. I think we are going to pulverize them.
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Sorry, it will never be considered a good move. We made a division rival better while in a tight playoff race. Very stupid. No spin will change this fact.
Yep. Say what you want about Orton, but he is worlds better than Tyler Palko.
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You mean when we were oddly and constantly only rushing 3 or 4?

I was going nuts because our lack of pass rush. You can't pin that on Doom and Miller.
Miller has been negated because of his hand.....Orton with time scares me.
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Sheesh.. such low confidence. I think we are going to pulverize them.
I think we beat em in a close one , wouldnt be shocked to see overtime ....
defiantly need to add some wrinkles to the offense that Teebs can handle ...
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its not Orton that anyone is scared of, its McCluster. He has the speed to get past our LBs into the secondary. We need a MLB that can actually run faster than 5sec 40 and can take decent angles.
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He does?

He throws for a lot of yards. He doesn't win a lot of games though. He'll collapse at critical times, throw a couple of picks.. we will win this game.
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I think that the Chargers will plaster the Raiders, so it won't matter one way or the other. Denver wins the division.

Rivers won't go out like a punk. He loves to compete and he'll take the Raiders on as a personal challenge.
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