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Old 12-29-2011, 12:53 PM   #1
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Why is Denver so bad in the 2nd quarter? Aren't we like the worst team in the league in terms of point differential?

Since Tebow took over, we typically come out like gang busters in the first quarter and either rack up points or keep the other team from scoring. We've done this in pretty much every game, including against Detroit, NE, and Buffalo.

But then when the 2nd quarter rolls around, everything comes unglued. What's going on? Are we changing things up, or going all conservative? Keep in mind that when our Offense shuts down, so does our Defense.

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Old 12-29-2011, 12:58 PM   #2
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Playcalling gets conservative to the pt of stupidity, turnovers vs NE, poor adjustments, creative plays all used up vs jets.
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Old 12-29-2011, 12:59 PM   #3
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exactly what he said.
poor playcalling followed by turnovers.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:00 PM   #4
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i think you nailed it on the head, we go conservative when we get the lead. How many times did we run the ball 3 straight times in buffalo and go 3 and out?

I believe establishing the run is crucial, but you need to change it up and playaction or spread read throw on 1st , 2nd , or 3rd down sometimes even if we have the lead.

Keeping the defense on their toes and guessing is the main advantage our offense has.

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Old 12-29-2011, 01:02 PM   #5
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let's not forget penalties. if we start at our own 20, then commit a holding penalty or false start, we're backed up. cue the unimiaginative playcalling, a 3 and out and now the opposition has great field position as colquitt has to punt from his endzone.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:05 PM   #6
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The problem is our team plays conservative once we have the lead(even with 3 points lead).
I never seen any other team go conservative with 3 or 7 points lead entering into 2nd quarter.
I just hope Fox/Mccoy realize this and attack till the end.
We just can't give hope to other team.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:08 PM   #7
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rosario has a ton of holding penalties on kickoffs, those are killer
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:09 PM   #8
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What concerns me is that we have a pattern here, but the coaches don't seem to see it.

They keep doing the same thing(s) over and over, hoping to get different results each time. But the results are always the same: Denver either blows a big lead or gets blown away, and we head in to the locker room with zero momentum.

This is my nightmare scenario for the game against KC.
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What concerns me is that we have a pattern here, but the coaches don't seem to see it.

They keep doing the same thing(s) over and over, hoping to get different results each time. But the results are always the same: Denver either blows a big lead or gets blown away, and we head in to the locker room with zero momentum.

This is my nightmare scenario for the game against KC.
We won 6 games doing like that..Knowing Fox, i think it won't change this week.
But, i am confident that Chiefs are going to lose to us.
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:16 PM   #10
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all of the above.

And coincidence plays a big role too
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:20 PM   #11
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i would be interested to see how many times we have passed on a down other than 3rd in the 2nd Quarter...
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all of the above.

And coincidence plays a big role too
I don't believe in coincidences disguised as patterns. But I do think that the number of boneheaded penalties (especially Defensive penalties) goes WAY up in the 2nd quarter.

Maybe the younger guys on Defense are trying to hard to "make a big statement" before halftime. Who knows... ?
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I don't believe in coincidences disguised as patterns. But I do think that the number of boneheaded penalties (especially Defensive penalties) goes WAY up in the 2nd quarter.

Maybe the younger guys on Defense are trying to hard to "make a big statement" before halftime. Who knows... ?
Football seasons, themselves, are fairly small sample sizes, and we're only talking about a small portion. So yes, there are obviously some trends, but I think theres some coincidence too
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i would be interested to see how many times we have passed on a down other than 3rd in the 2nd Quarter...
Yeah, in several games, we mixed it up with passes on 1st down, even with passes to start the game, and it worked. Then Fox felt like: "Well, we've got our quota of 2 passes for the half, so let's not risk an INT with any more passes."
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Old 12-29-2011, 01:37 PM   #16
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We won 6 games doing like that
We did not win 6 games as a result of the second quarter fiascos, we won more often than not by the miracles that were needed to make up for fiasco of a patern I like to regard as the sabotaging scheme.
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Personally, I think it's just the problem of this being a young coaching squad (young in the sense that this is their first year together with these players). The theme of this season has been a LOT of experimentation with players all over the field on both sides of the ball. They have tested so many different things this year in an effort to determine what they have and what they don't have.

In the first quarter, everything goes by the script, and while things have been rocky at times, there has been a marked improvement over time in performance during this time. Once the script runs out, they seem to hit a wall. I think with time and more experience, we'll see improvement in the second quarter. I don't know that it can happen overnight though. I think this is a kink that the team will need to work on into next season.
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:10 PM   #18
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We dont have a killer instinct. coaches and players. we can come from behind but not play ahead.
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I think teams figure out what we come out of the gate with by the 2nd quarter and take it away which causes turnovers and mistakes. I do like that our staff can make adjustments at half time but would like to see more consistent play throughout the entire game.
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I think we let down our guard just a little bit in the 2nd quarter, and the better teams have been keen to this, so they go in full-out attack mode on defense, then we implode. Sometime a little, sometimes a lot.
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I think teams figure out what we come out of the gate with by the 2nd quarter and take it away which causes turnovers and mistakes. I do like that our staff can make adjustments at half time but would like to see more consistent play throughout the entire game.
yes. And, there is a real reluctance to put the game on Tebow's left arm early in a game. Plus, any defense that has run block thrown at them 30 times in the first three qters, esp with McGahee, will feel it in the fourth.
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I think teams figure out what we come out of the gate with by the 2nd quarter and take it away which causes turnovers and mistakes...

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What concerns me is that we have a pattern here, but the coaches don't seem to see it.

They keep doing the same thing(s) over and over, hoping to get different results each time...

This is my nightmare scenario...


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Once the script runs out, they seem to hit a wall... I think this is a kink that the team will need to work on into next season.
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Old 12-29-2011, 03:48 PM   #23
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Tebow had 2 passing attempts in the second quarter. Both were on 3rd and Long.

That's the definition of setting up your QB for failure. Inept beyond measure.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:00 PM   #24
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Everything is gravy this season.

I'm not ready to throw anyone out based on this season, especially when Tebow was put in 5 games in. I would like to see what they can do with a full off season (for both the players and coaches).
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Why is Denver so bad in the 2nd quarter? Aren't we like the worst team in the league in terms of point differential?

Since Tebow took over, we typically come out like gang busters in the first quarter and either rack up points or keep the other team from scoring. We've done this in pretty much every game, including against Detroit, NE, and Buffalo.

But then when the 2nd quarter rolls around, everything comes unglued. What's going on? Are we changing things up, or going all conservative? Keep in mind that when our Offense shuts down, so does our Defense.
It is all part of the EFX master plan to make teebs fail .......
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