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Old 12-24-2011, 02:33 PM   #1
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Bengals won, @ 9-7 with a loss next week, they go, we must win regardless.
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:35 PM   #2
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:37 PM   #3
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I don't think any AFC West team was ever at risk of being a wildcard. :p

Broncos are in if:

SD loses now, wins next week
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Broncos win
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:37 PM   #4
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Yep, no wildcard possible.

Bring on Orton.

WE GOT THIS
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:40 PM   #5
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I don't think any AFC West team was ever at risk of being a wildcard. :p

Broncos are in if:

SD loses now, wins next week
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Broncos win
I forgot about that. Could happen....
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Old 12-24-2011, 02:57 PM   #6
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I don't think it matters what the Chargers do. Denver has to win next week. Period. I just went over the tiebreaking procedures. I will doublecheck them and post them here.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

To Break a Tie within a division:

Three or More Clubs


(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
  1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
  4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  5. Strength of victory.
  6. Strength of schedule.
  7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss


I will post a complete breakdown of how each of these steps look later in the thread based on the assumption that Denver loses to KC next week, San Diego loses to Detroit today and beats Oakland next week, so that Denver, Oakland and San Diego all finish 8-8, and KC finishes 7-9.

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Old 12-24-2011, 03:04 PM   #7
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I don't think it matters what the Chargers do. Denver has to win next week. Period. I just went over the tiebreaking procedures. I will doublecheck them and post them here.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

To Break a Tie within a division:

Three or More Clubs


(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
  1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
  2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
  3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
  4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
  5. Strength of victory.
  6. Strength of schedule.
  7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
  8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
  9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss


I will post a complete breakdown of how each of these steps look later in the thread based on the assumption that Denver loses to KC next week, San Diego loses to Detroit today and beats Oakland next week, so that Denver, Oakland and San Diego all finish 8-8, and KC finishes 7-9.
Correct, we must win. Since Cincinnati and whoever finishes second in the north already have 9 wins we cannot lose and still get the wild card (we would finish 8-8). Win and we win the division, lose and we are done
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:06 PM   #9
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Tiebreaker 1: Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

Assuming Denver loses to KC, Denver splits all of their head-to-head games.

San Diego beats Oakland next week, and San Diego and Oakland will both split all of their division games. On to tiebreaker #2.

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Tiebreaker #2: Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

AFC WEST W L T PCT HOME ROAD DIV CONF PF PA DIFF STRK
Denver 8 7 0 .533 3-4-0 5-3-0 3-2-0 6-5-0 306 383 -77 Lost 2
Oakland 8 7 0 .533 3-4-0 5-3-0 3-2-0 6-5-0 333 395 -62 Won 1
San Diego 7 7 0 .500 5-3-0 2-4-0 2-3-0 6-5-0 358 313 +45 Won 3
Kansas City 6 9 0 .400 3-5-0 3-4-0 2-3-0 3-8-0 205 335 -130 Lost 1

I bolded division record. Denver losing to KC puts Denver at 3-3. San Diego beating Oakland puts both of them at 3-3.

On to tiebreaker #3.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:11 PM   #11
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so where would this one rank on the list of numerous collapses over the last five years, if we were knocked out of playoff contention by the guy that started the first five games at QB for us?
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:13 PM   #12
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The coaching staff has done a tremendous job of hiding Tebow's deficiencies, but I think the cat is out of the bag now. I'll be surprised if the Broncos win next week.
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so where would this one rank on the list of numerous collapses over the last five years, if we were knocked out of playoff contention by the guy that started the first five games at QB for us?
To me, nowhere close. I was thinking 4 wins this season. Although I am excited about the prospect of going to the playoffs, if it doesn't happen I will still look back on this season with a smile.

...and then I will move right on to rooting for my Spartans and Tigers.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:16 PM   #14
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so where would this one rank on the list of numerous collapses over the last five years, if we were knocked out of playoff contention by the guy that started the first five games at QB for us?
It would be the worst one for sure, Elway and cheap ass Bowlen would be to blaim as well.

Horrible decision, we could have even gotten a conpensatory pick.

Soooooo stupid.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:20 PM   #15
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Tiebreaker #3- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

The AFC West played the NFC North and the AFC East. So this is where you will find the common opponents.

Denver: 4-4 (wins over Minn, Chi, NYJ, Mia, Losses against Det, GB, NE, Buf)

Oak: 3-5 (wins over NYJ, Min, Chi, Losses against Buf, NE, Mia, GB, Det)

SD: 3-5 (wins over Minn, Mia, Buf, Losses against Chi, Det, GB, NE NYJ



Hmmm, after doing a thorough double check, I think Denver can win the AFC west even with a loss against KC next week, as long as SD loses today and beats Oakland next week.

Would like to see this confirmed by a reliable source however.

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Old 12-24-2011, 03:21 PM   #16
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Tiebreaker #4- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

The AFC West played the NFC North and the AFC East. So this is where you will find the common opponents.

Denver: 4-4 (wins over Minn, Chi, NYJ, Mia, Losses against Det, GB, NE, Buf)

Oak: 3-5 (wins over NYJ, Min, Chi, Losses against Buf, NE, Mia, GB, Det)

SD: 3-5 (wins over Minn, Mia, Buf, Losses against Chi, Det, GB, NE NYJ



Hmmm, after doing a thorough double check, I think Denver can win the AFC west even with a loss against KC next week, as long as SD loses today and beats Oakland next week.

Would like to see this confirmed by a reliable source however.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:21 PM   #17
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Blart was right.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_...c=738&f=323671

Go to 4:20 of part 1.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:22 PM   #18
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It would be the worst one for sure, Elway and cheap ass Bowlen would be to blaim as well.

Horrible decision, we could have even gotten a conpensatory pick.

Soooooo stupid.
Where the hell would we have gotten a compensatory pick from?
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so where would this one rank on the list of numerous collapses over the last five years, if we were knocked out of playoff contention by the guy that started the first five games at QB for us?
In reality we shouldn't be in the position we are. Look at all the luck and execution that needed to happen to win those miracle comebacks.

I think Playoffs would be an unexpected plus this year but if we tank next week it is not the worst thing to happen to the franchise. We are a couple onside kicks or Barber plays away from being a 1-2 win team.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:27 PM   #20
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Tiebreaker #3- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

The AFC West played the NFC North and the AFC East. So this is where you will find the common opponents.

Denver: 4-4 (wins over Minn, Chi, NYJ, Mia, Losses against Det, GB, NE, Buf)

Oak: 3-5 (wins over NYJ, Min, Chi, Losses against Buf, NE, Mia, GB, Det)

SD: 3-5 (wins over Minn, Mia, Buf, Losses against Chi, Det, GB, NE NYJ



Hmmm, after doing a thorough double check, I think Denver can win the AFC west even with a loss against KC next week, as long as SD loses today and beats Oakland next week.

Would like to see this confirmed by a reliable source however.
Perhaps if you read the other threads on the front page you would see that I posted that an hour ago.

It's been confirmed by multiple sources. Jeez.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:28 PM   #21
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So then, after being Detroit fans this week we are SD fans next week...Cause the Broncos cant keep from end of season collapses. Effing figures.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:36 PM   #22
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The coaching staff has done a tremendous job of hiding Tebow's deficiencies, but I think the cat is out of the bag now. I'll be surprised if the Broncos win next week.

Complete bull****. At one point in the first half Denver had 5 passing plays vs 22 running plays. Denver had several 3 n outs during this stretch. This is why Denver lost the game.
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Perhaps if you read the other threads on the front page you would see that I posted that an hour ago.

It's been confirmed by multiple sources. Jeez.
Well, jeez then.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:42 PM   #24
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Where the hell would we have gotten a compensatory pick from?
Had cheapass Bowlen and Co just paid him to show up and eat at the cafeteria and play catch, we wouldn't be here. Then, after he leaves as a FA, we'd have gotten a pick.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:47 PM   #25
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Dont hold your breath brother. That looked like a team that has already packed it in.
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