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Old 12-24-2011, 01:21 PM   #1
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Why don't our receivers get open at all? Tebow is having tons of time, and for the most part noone was open downfield.

Is it bad playcalling? Do they just not make good breaks or what?
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:22 PM   #2
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It's like no one on this team can get open in the first 5 seconds.
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It's like no one on this team can get open in the first 5 seconds.
I know, it's not Tebow making bad reads for the most part, it's none of his reads being open.
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That is why finding a WR with speed would help stretch the field since Royal is pretty uesless and can't do it.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:25 PM   #5
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That's just simply not true. Spend the money on NFL game rewind and watch the coaches tape portions. You'll see receivers that have separation all over the place.

What you'll also see is that Tebow is VERY tentative. He doesn't trust his arm or his accuracy. He has receivers breaking open early and he holds the ball. Tebow wants his receivers to be open the same way they were in college, and that just doesn't happen in the NFL. This isn't the receivers issue, this is Tim Tebows issue.

Defenses know this. They are playing bump coverage and blitzing 5 or 6 on most plays. They're taking advantage of the fact he won't throw it early, and getting after him. On the scramble drill Tebow is still tentative.

It's a really big problem...
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:27 PM   #6
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I know, it's not Tebow making bad reads for the most part, it's none of his reads being open.
in all fairness, there were quite a few instances where guys were open but tebow completely missed them

on that first INT to decker, fells was WIDE OPEN to the right

same thing with his second INT to, i think it was royal open this time



a lot of times our receivers cannot get seperation or, heaven forbid, catch the ball when it hits their hands... but a lot of the inneffectiveness in the passing game falls on tebow too. he just isn't at a point right now where he can dissect the defense and know where the open guy is going to be. he's still a little panicky back there, and he tends to lock onto his primary target, which unfortunately has been butterfingers decker way too much
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That's just simply not true. Spend the money on NFL game rewind and watch the coaches tape portions. You'll see receivers that have separation all over the place.

What you'll also see is that Tebow is VERY tentative. He doesn't trust his arm or his accuracy. He has receivers breaking open early and he holds the ball. Tebow wants his receivers to be open the same way they were in college, and that just doesn't happen in the NFL. This isn't the receivers issue, this is Tim Tebows issue.

Defenses know this. They are playing bump coverage and blitzing 5 or 6 on most plays. They're taking advantage of the fact he won't throw it early, and getting after him. On the scramble drill Tebow is still tentative.

It's a really big problem...
ignorant rant................
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.What you'll also see is that Tebow is VERY tentative. He doesn't trust his arm or his accuracy. He has receivers breaking open early and he holds the ball. Tebow wants his receivers to be open the same way they were in college, and that just doesn't happen in the NFL. This isn't the receivers issue, this is Tim Tebows issue.

Defenses know this. They are playing bump coverage and blitzing 5 or 6 on most plays. They're taking advantage of the fact he won't throw it early, and getting after him. On the scramble drill Tebow is still tentative.

It's a really big problem...
yep. he is not to a point yet where he can throw with anticipation
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That's just simply not true. Spend the money on NFL game rewind and watch the coaches tape portions. You'll see receivers that have separation all over the place.

What you'll also see is that Tebow is VERY tentative. He doesn't trust his arm or his accuracy. He has receivers breaking open early and he holds the ball. Tebow wants his receivers to be open the same way they were in college, and that just doesn't happen in the NFL. This isn't the receivers issue, this is Tim Tebows issue.

Defenses know this. They are playing bump coverage and blitzing 5 or 6 on most plays. They're taking advantage of the fact he won't throw it early, and getting after him. On the scramble drill Tebow is still tentative.

It's a really big problem...
It's both, though. Tebow does what you say, but the receivers also aren't reliably getting separation. It makes it hard for him to form good habits. It makes it hard on the recievers to not get any reinforcement.

Stuck in a negative feedback loop.
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Actually, our receivers get open quite often. There is a reason most of the playbook consists of running plays, and our passing game is very limited. Phil made a point to mention every time against the Pats, when receivers were open that Tebow never saw. It's quite often.

When "none" of your receivers are ever getting open... either that's true or it's the QB not finding them. Which is more likely?
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I saw alot of guys open today. Tebow either ignored them, missed them or threw it to the other team.

Love Tebow, but he holds the ball way too long.
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That's just simply not true. Spend the money on NFL game rewind and watch the coaches tape portions. You'll see receivers that have separation all over the place.

What you'll also see is that Tebow is VERY tentative. He doesn't trust his arm or his accuracy. He has receivers breaking open early and he holds the ball. Tebow wants his receivers to be open the same way they were in college, and that just doesn't happen in the NFL. This isn't the receivers issue, this is Tim Tebows issue.

Defenses know this. They are playing bump coverage and blitzing 5 or 6 on most plays. They're taking advantage of the fact he won't throw it early, and getting after him. On the scramble drill Tebow is still tentative.

It's a really big problem...
This. Tebow had receivers open all day long. He either didn't see them, or was under pressure and had to scramble around. Blitz Tebow all game long, and you don't give him the time to find the open man. The other problem is that Tebow is looking for the deep receiver to come open, which is why the play takes longer to develop. That's fine if you have the protection, otherwise you run into problems.

The offensive line is outstanding at run blocking, but below average at pass blocking. Even a 4 man rush was generating significant pressure against the Broncos o-line.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:33 PM   #13
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No it's not. Tim's hesitance is massively obvious, especially if you're actually at the games. He has open WRs, he either doesn't throw the ball when he's supposed to (i.e. 3 step drop and out) or he locks onto 1 WR and doesn't see the open ones.
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yep. he is not to a point yet where he can throw with anticipation
Very correct with this. Well he has done it before, but probably more by accident. I'm hoping with a complete offseason to work with coaches and the team, we will see much improvement from Tebow in the passing game.

I really hate how he doesn't step up in the pocket most of the time. He's allways drifting backwards.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:36 PM   #15
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It's because all the Broncos WR only sort of ok players. None of them the type a defense has to account for. Broncos need a true number 1 WR to lead the group. Then guys like Decker and Demarius can contribute more.
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No it's not. Tim's hesitance is massively obvious, especially if you're actually at the games. He has open WRs, he either doesn't throw the ball when he's supposed to (i.e. 3 step drop and out) or he locks onto 1 WR and doesn't see the open ones.
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The offensive line is outstanding at run blocking, but below average at pass blocking. Even a 4 man rush was generating significant pressure against the Broncos o-line.
Every team they play that has good defensive tackles, the Oline fails more than not on protection. Our interior line is very weak with pass protection. I would very much love to see us get a true RT and move Franklin over to guard next to Clady.
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wow,another thread dedicated to blaming everyone but tebow thread.
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wow,another thread dedicated to blaming everyone but tebow thread.
Tebow needs work also but i don't see a lot of dominance from Broncos WR. DT looks slower then before the injury, Decker can play, but he isn't special, the TE are not special etc etc.

Broncos should look for playmakers, especially since they let Lloyd go to Rams.
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There were WR's running wide open on crossing routes and Tebow would only throw it deep

He needs alot of work
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No it's not. Tim's hesitance is massively obvious, especially if you're actually at the games. He has open WRs, he either doesn't throw the ball when he's supposed to (i.e. 3 step drop and out) or he locks onto 1 WR and doesn't see the open ones.
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:59 PM   #24
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The receivers' ability to get separation isn't the problem. The problem is that we have a completely predictable passing game that fails to utilize half the tools of our offense. Only running deep and semi-deep routes constantly leaves our passing game exposed to various strategies, especially when our o-line is being exploited in pass pro.
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The receivers' ability to get separation isn't the problem. .
yes, it most definitely is a problem. the QB struggles to make the right reads at times, but often times our WRs are completely locked up by average DBs

our WR corps is average at best, below average when compared to the rest of the league imo
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