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Old 12-07-2011, 08:23 PM   #1
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Hey folks, Nate Irving got some game action at the end of the first half, so I thought I'd see how the guy most of us hope is a future starter at middle linebacker fared. I took some screenshots of the plays he was in on, and you can see the album here:
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And here's my breakdown. Irving first came in in the middle of a drive. I didn't see Mays get hurt, and Joe was back in there in the second half, so I'm not sure what got causes this.


2nd and 10, Denver's 35, 4:18 in the 2nd

This is a handoff to Gerhart. He follows his fullback through a crease between the right tackle and the pulling play side guard. I'm honestly not sure what Irving was doing on this play. It looks like he misdiagnoses the play and gets into his zone drop before realizing his mistake, in effect looping back to try to make a play. He doesn't get there as he's blocked easily by the fullback. This looked like a bad read followed by a bad angle. Play results in a 16 yard gain.


1st and 10, Denver's 19, 3:40 in the 2nd

Irving's in man coverage on Shiancoe, the TE who had been playing well so far. Though perhaps a bit handsy, Irving has good coverage on his man. Unfortunately, Quinton Carter doesn't locate the ball and Kyle Rudolph is able to reach back to make the touchdown catch.


< In the interim, Walton completely whiffs on Remi Ayodele leading immediately to a sack of Tim Tebow. Frazier displays some terribly botched clock management by taking a timeout to stop the clock with 2:07 left and Denver about to punt. As any kind of punt with a return would last more than 7 seconds, the 2 minute warning and change of possession timeouts coincided. If he saves the timeout, the 2 minute warning stops the clock before the punt at 2:00. The change of possession timeout stops the clock after the punt. You lose 7 seconds, but you keep a timeout in your pocket. I think it's pretty clear what the right call is. >


1st and 10, Minnesota's 14, 1:55 in the 2nd

The Vikings line up with a TE to either side and 3 backs in the backfield. (An inverted wishbone with 2 TEs?). The Broncos answer with three linebackers, Champ Bailey at linebacker depth a few yards outside the offensive right side TE, and Brian Dawkins just off the line of scrimmage to the offensive left. Irving bites on the play action fake, and I honestly can't tell what his assignment is supposed to be. He and Mario Haggan both realize it's play action at the same time, and both turn and run downfield together.


2nd and 4, Minnesota's 20, 1:24 in the 2nd

Minnesota has the same backfield with two wide receivers. Denver answers with 3 linebackers, two corners with inside leverage (and Goodman giving a might big cushion), nickelback Chris Harris to the offensive right, and Quinton Carter playing very deep (I'm assuming deep center, but he's off the screen). With the TV angle I can't see much of the defensive backfield. It looks like Nate Irving has a deep zone, as he gets downfield very quickly after the snap. The ball is completed to the left side of the field, between Mario Haggan and Andre Goodman for a



1st and 10, Minnesota's 33, 1:14 in the 2nd

Irving and Haggan come off the field in facor of Woodyard and Hunter. A bad pass to an open Aromashadu on a slant falls incomplete.


2nd and 10, Minnesota's 33, 1:10 in the 2nd

Same personnel. Pass to Gerhart in the flat for 8 yards.


3rd and 3, Minnesota's 40, 1:05 in the 2nd

Still no Irving. The pass bounces off of Andre Goodman's back/shoulder. He's got no clue where the ball is, but he's standing his ground within 5 yards of the line.





1st and 10, Denver's 21, 0:39 in the 2nd

Shotgun, 4 receivers and a tight end. Denver answers wtih their nickel. No Irving. Completion to Shiancoe for 5 yards.


2nd and 5, Denver's 16, 0:18 in the 2nd

Shotgun, 3 receivers, a tight end, and a back. Nickel personnel for Denver. Completion to Armoashidu in the flat, but Goodman makes a good tackle to keep him in bounds. Minnesota takes their final timeout.


1st and Goal, Denver's 6, 0:08 in the 2nd

Nickel personnel again, and Ponder throws it out of the back of the end zone. Field goal. Half.
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:32 PM   #2
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Wow, I almost forgot who Nate Irving was.

Thanks for taking the time to post it.
I haven't heard much of Irving since TC.
He kinda quickly faded, huh? or do we have too much depth at LB?
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So he basically did nothing.
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So he basically did nothing.
Yeah, I see no highlights
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perhaps he was drafted with the intent of becoming a ST ace for the team. it is likely that Woodyard is going to go somewhere for the opportunity to start. i personally think he should start ahead of DJ in Denver. but most likely he leaves and someone will need to anchor the ST and perhaps that is Irving, because he sure doesn't look like he is going to be getting it done on defense
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Wow, I almost forgot who Nate Irving was.

Thanks for taking the time to post it.
I haven't heard much of Irving since TC.
He kinda quickly faded, huh? or do we have too much depth at LB?
too much depth at LB?

Miller is the best LB on the roster. and after him everyone else should be upgraded.

Woodyard is the next best LB in my opinion even though he doesn't start. still believe that has more to do with DJ's contract than actual play on the field and more than likely WW is going to leave in the offseason in hopes of starting somewhere.

Mays is a stop gap

DJ is past his prime and was never really all that great. solid but nothing spectacular.

Haggan is a good depth guy and veteran leader you want on a team


Irving just isn't very good if he can't get on the field with our LB depth the way it is.
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perhaps he was drafted with the intent of becoming a ST ace for the team. it is likely that Woodyard is going to go somewhere for the opportunity to start. i personally think he should start ahead of DJ in Denver. but most likely he leaves and someone will need to anchor the ST and perhaps that is Irving, because he sure doesn't look like he is going to be getting it done on defense
Just looking at what we have now at the LB position; Haggan, Woodyard, DJ, Miller, and Mays, it will be hard for Irving to crack the starting line-up.

He's the lightest of our LBs. I thought I've heard talks this summer about Irving making a good safety.
Any truth to that?
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DJ Williams has been pretty good of late. This notion that Woodyard is somehow better than him is just plain silly. Replacing DJ is the last thing on my mind when looking at how to upgrade this team.
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too much depth at LB?

Miller is the best LB on the roster. and after him everyone else should be upgraded.

Woodyard is the next best LB in my opinion even though he doesn't start. still believe that has more to do with DJ's contract than actual play on the field and more than likely WW is going to leave in the offseason in hopes of starting somewhere.

Mays is a stop gap

DJ is past his prime and was never really all that great. solid but nothing spectacular.

Haggan is a good depth guy and veteran leader you want on a team


Irving just isn't very good if he can't get on the field with our LB depth the way it is.
I agree. Woodyard is just a tackling machine. He's always around the ball. I like Woodyard
I'm not a fan of Haggan, but the guy does make nice plays, and he's a big dude too.
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Just looking at what we have now at the LB position; Haggan, Woodyard, DJ, Miller, and Mays, it will be hard for Irving to crack the starting line-up.

He's the lightest of our LBs. I thought I've heard talks this summer about Irving making a good safety.
Any truth to that?
our LB depth is not all that great outside of Miller and maybe Woodyard.

on almost any other team Mays is a backup and ST player, DJ is a stop gap while a young replacement is found to replace him, Haggan is a solid backup and veteran leader and ST player and Woodyard is probably a starting WILL.

truthfully it is sad he couldn't take the starting MLB job.
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Just looking at what we have now at the LB position; Haggan, Woodyard, DJ, Miller, and Mays, it will be hard for Irving to crack the starting line-up.

He's the lightest of our LBs. I thought I've heard talks this summer about Irving making a good safety.
Any truth to that?
Nate Irving is listed at 6'1" 240 pounds. Woodyard is by far our smallest linebacker.

And whoever was talking of converting Irving to safety was smoking crack.
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DJ Williams has been pretty good of late. This notion that Woodyard is somehow better than him is just plain silly. Replacing DJ is the last thing on my mind when looking at how to upgrade this team.
DJ has always been an underachiever in my mind. he is a guy with all the physical ability you could want in a LB but just seemingly plays soft. he is the Nene of the Broncos LB corps. a physical specimen who plays weak.

Woodyard is not physically any better than DJ, but he goes all out every single play. he is always around the ball carrier or taking down the ballcarrier. the guy is a straight up tackling machine. he plays bigger than he is.

if i had to choose between them for next season, i would take Woodyard and trade DJ.
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our LB depth is not all that great outside of Miller and maybe Woodyard.

on almost any other team Mays is a backup and ST player, DJ is a stop gap while a young replacement is found to replace him, Haggan is a solid backup and veteran leader and ST player and Woodyard is probably a starting WILL.

truthfully it is sad he couldn't take the starting MLB job.
I would actually argue that our depth is good. Mays starting at MLB is the glaring issue with our linebackers at the moment. This defense with an Al Wilson caliber Mike would suddenly become elite if you ask me.
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Nate Irving is listed at 6'1" 240 pounds. Woodyard is by far our smallest linebacker.

And whoever was talking of converting Irving to safety was smoking crack.
You're right. I thought Woodyard was at 245lbs....
He's lighter than that...
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Hard to judge Irving from this little of a sample, at least the Broncos are bringing him in and giving him playing time. I wonder if the Broncos wanted to see if he could lite up Gerhart and put the fear of God in their running game...
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DJ has always been an underachiever in my mind. he is a guy with all the physical ability you could want in a LB but just seemingly plays soft. he is the Nene of the Broncos LB corps. a physical specimen who plays weak.

Woodyard is not physically any better than DJ, but he goes all out every single play. he is always around the ball carrier or taking down the ballcarrier. the guy is a straight up tackling machine. he plays bigger than he is.

if i had to choose between them for next season, i would take Woodyard and trade DJ.
We'd be better off keeping them both. Unless we bring in players that are clearly and upgrade, there's no reason to get rid of solid players. D.J. is a solid linebacker. So is Woodyard. There's no reason to dump solid players unless you've got a pro bowler to replace them and need the roster spot.
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I would actually argue that our depth is good. Mays starting at MLB is the glaring issue with our linebackers at the moment. This defense with an Al Wilson caliber Mike would suddenly become elite if you ask me.
The system fits the players, and they're playing well together in it.
They can only get better.
From the talent point of view...there's Miller and then the other ones...
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Hard to judge Irving from this little of a sample, at least the Broncos are bringing him in and giving him playing time. I wonder if the Broncos wanted to see if he could lite up Gerhart and put the fear of God in their running game...
Mays can already do that, if not much else. Irving isn't going to light anyone up the way Mays does.
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Nate Irving is lucky to be alive and he knows it.I'm still pulling for Nate Irving!

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Doesn't he still have a metal plate on one of his shins?
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I'm pulling for all our young players. Every time one of them proves to be a good player that's one less need for us to address in the future.
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Fox said he came in because Mays was cramping, and also had some really nice things to say about Irving.
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We'd be better off keeping them both. Unless we bring in players that are clearly and upgrade, there's no reason to get rid of solid players. D.J. is a solid linebacker. So is Woodyard. There's no reason to dump solid players unless you've got a pro bowler to replace them and need the roster spot.
i would like to trade DJ for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. give Woodyard a new deal as our new starting WLB and stockpile some picks. this team is playing way beyond its talent level right now and we still have a lot of holes to fill. the loss of trading DJ is not so large that it would damage the team, but the pick(s) we could get for him would help the team with depth and if last year was any indication of the way this current regime drafts, possibly a mid round gem.

also with FA we can always bring in a replacement for him. Dan Connor a Fox draft pick in Carolina is a FA next year and could be a good pickup.
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Mays can already do that, if not much else. Irving isn't going to light anyone up the way Mays does.
But Mays didn't do that. Gerhart ran roughshot over the defense. Irving was drafted to be the starting MLB and Mays is a left over from the McD days. Now I like Mays as much as the next guy but he does have some big limitations.
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