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Old 12-07-2011, 06:45 AM   #1
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My analysis of the 2nd half offense play:

Sorry in advance this isn't a Tebow worship thread.

Ball on 22
1-10: OL+TE blocking.
Negative: Beadles gets pushed back off the snap but then holds his ground.
Postive:Tebow releases the ball in 2 sec to primary read Decker over the middle for a 15 yard gain on a strong throw.


1-10: OL+TE blocking with Two wide.
Positive: Beadles steers his defender two yards deep, opens a big hole where Larsen steps in and blocks out the LB. Willis makes the inside cut on the B gap and makes the intial DB miss for an 10 yard gain.

1-10: OL+TE blocking with Two wide.
Positive: Delayed handoff to Willis. Larsen makes an awesome block on the blitzer who had penetrated inside to block him out of the lane. Willis explodes into that hole (B-gap again) where 86 Fells had already gotten to the 2nd level and cleared his way up the middle. Again, Willis breaks initial tackel and takes three defenders for 3 extra yards. Gain of 15.

1-10: OL+TE blocking this time outside of the LT with Two wide.

Negative: Kuper explodes off the snap but loses the angle on the DT allowing him to penetrate in the backfield but Larsen helps him out.
Positive: Fells again does a good job blocking inline to steer his defender outside and the left of the line explodes upfield allowing Willis to run outside for an 9 yard gain while Decker does a good job engaging 33 to block him out of the tackle.
Once again, it takes two/three defenders to bring down McGahee.

2-1: OL+TE blocking with Two wide.

Negative: Average push by the OL, Larsen is too slow off the snap, misses the run blitz completely and Clady gives up on his block of Allen who swims inside to stop Willis short.

3-1: OL+2TE blocking with Two wide.

First time we moved away from having Larsen in the backfield. Lance Ball's first carry in the 2nd half.
Positive: Vikings were stacked to stop the run here and the OL did okay to smash down at the line of scrimmage. Ball makes a great cut back to the right side at full speed for a 5 yard gain. If he was any slower the DE (Robison crashes the play). This is something I haven't seen Moreno do at all this year.

1-10 on Vikings 22: OL+TE blocking with Two wide (again) and Larsen back on a shotgun formation.

Positive: OL plus Fells provide great protection, Ball flares out, Larsen goes through the middle and is open but Tebow goes for the longer 15 yard pass play to Decker (pretty much the exact same route as his first pass this half but on the other side). Ball released in under 2 two seconds on a good strong throw.

Negative: Decker drops an easy pass.

2-10 on Vikings 22: OL+TE blocking with Two wide (again) and Larsen back on a shotgun formation now with Willis.

Decker motions inside beside Fells, signalling run play as we only have DT running a route and Vikings crash the line of scrimmage stopping Willis for no gain.

Negative: Predicteable, Conservative play calling.

3-9: OL, plus 4 wide, lone back and shot gun formation.

Positive: OL does a good job in pass protection especially Clady who has to deal with Jared Allen coming off an ungodly explosive first step, Tebow looks off the safety over the middle then goes to his 2nd read to a wide open DT in the endzone. TD.

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1. Billick routinely gets it wrong, praising the RB instead of the blocking, and then criticizing the pass coverage for DT's touchdown instead of realizing Tebow was looking off the safety help.

2. This was straight up smash mouth football with guys like Larsen and the interior doing a great job of blocking out defenders and Willis bowling over guys for extra yards.

3. Very conservative formations. We basically stuck to the same exact formation (two wide, OL+TE, Larsen/RB) for almost all of the all plays except for the 3rd and long TD pass. The Vikings have one of the best run stopping front 7's in the league. It just came down to execution. When the OL/TE/Larsen executed, Willis got big chunks plus extra yards after contact. When they didn't, the Vikings crashed or penetrated the backfield and stopped the run game.

More to come.

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Good stuff. When you pair this with the video, clarifies what is happening. Sometimes, unless you can run the play over and over in slomo, it is hard to really see what is happening. This stuff helps. Thanks.....
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Good stuff. When you pair this with the video, clarifies what is happening. Sometimes, unless you can run the play over and over in slomo, it is hard to really see what is happening. This stuff helps. Thanks.....
Thanks, that's exactly what I'm doing!
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Broncos get stiffed by refs three plays in a row.

Harvin stiff arms/mugs Chris Harris 6 yards past the line of scrimmage even though Harris was off and not playing bump and run coverage and then runs in for a long TD.

Quan Crosby returns the ensuing kick off into Vikings territory and refs completely miss a blatant face mask on him. The ref by the way was just 10 yards away from Quan and was looking back directly at the return. Dumba$$.


2nd drive of the 2nd half.

1-10 on Vikings 41. Guess what? OL+TE, two wide, McGahee/Larsen in the backfield. Same formation. Tebow on a shotgun. Vikings with 7 in the box playing cover two deep.

Positive: Great initial protection by the OL. A LB rushes upfield through the A gap but Larsen sees the gap forming and stops him dead in his tracks.

4 seconds go by and Tebow slightly rolls to his dominant left where Clady is doing a good job on Allen. But Clady has his back to Tebow and can't see that the QB has drifted outside the pocket. Allen does and instantly disengages and goes after Tim. Tebow ducks under him, stiff arms Henderson and throws complete to DT who rumbles for a TD.

Decker manhandles his DB out of DT's way. The DB just grabs Decker's jersey and pulls him away. Again no call by the ref who was just 10 yards away at the goal line, probably admiring DT's play instead.

Score 21-22 Vikings.

Broncos/coaches celebrate on the sidelines as the sound system blares out Metallica Seek and Destroy. Good times.

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Broncos/coaches celebrate on the sidelines as the sound system blares out Metallica Seek and Destroy. Good times.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:27 AM   #6
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1. Billick routinely gets it wrong, praising the RB instead of the blocking, and then criticizing the pass coverage for DT's touchdown instead of realizing Tebow was looking off the safety help.
I saw Mangini go over this same play and he did give Tebow credit for looking off the safety. FWIW.
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It is crummy how the refs miss calls against the home teams.......
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I guess this is a good place to expose how Tebow's development was sabotaged this game.


Let's take a look at what happened outside of the last minute of the first half shall we?

1st & 10 ~ incomplete fingertipped pass.

3rd & 9 ~ Completed pass

3rd & 4 ~ Completed pass

3rd & 9 ~ Completed pass called back DT out of bounds after review.

3rd & 19 ~ Completed pass


Can someone explain to me how we are supposed to expect Tebow to thrive under these passing conditions? Tebow has only one pass attempt the entire first half on 1st down; outside of the last minute where he managed to complete the last pass he threw which was on first down.

If DT's toe did not touch the line Tebow would have had only one incomplete pass the entire first half. How in the hell is that aweful. I'll tell you what is aweful, this sabotaging scheme that is strategically designed to make Tebow appear as being aweful.

Having 80% of Tebows passing attempts on 3rd down's outside of the last minute of the half is not going to cut it against the Patriots. Especially after Ponder just jacked the Broncos for 393 yards and 3 TD's.

2nd half Tebow passes it on first down of the initial drive and then again on first down later in that thrive to finally blast the vikings on 3rd and 9 for a TD. This is how you put defenders on their heels.

Imagine that next drive we run three times in a row and have to punt. Because we are only down by one. Go figure the Vikings score a TD and guess what happens then?

Tebow comes out shelling them with the pass on first down of that drive for a TD~!!

Go figure pnce we are down by one, Tebow does not pass it again until the 5th play of the drive, and imagine that it is on 3rd and 12. Tebow completes the pass but it comes back because of a holding penalty and we wind up punting.

Vikings score on the next drive and imagine that you guessed it, tebow throws on first down of the first play of the drive, he jacks the Vikings for 42 yards. Next play Mcgahee punches it in from 24 yards out. And Tebow ties the game with a two point conversion.

Vikings score on the next drive, now who can guess what the first play of the next drive is? You guessed it, Tebow passing it on first down. Pass is ruled incomplete and Tebow jacks the Vikings two more consecutive times for 52 yards taking the ball from the 20 to their 28.

Well now that we are close enought to take a couple strikes into the endzone or rather are in FG territory Fox ties it up by tying
Tebow's hands again cut him off to being relegated to a another 3rd and long pass attemt that falls incomplete. FG ties it up.

After a miraculous int that hands the offense the ball at the opponents 15 yard line, You'd think Tebow would get one shot at the end zone, One shot to run it, But nope... The demontrous effort to keep Tebow from taking the glory off the field is mind blowing. It is not only in black and white but predictabvle game after game after game.

Elway is indeed sabotaging Tebow, while exploiting his abilities in an as needed basis.
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I guess this is a good place to expose how Tebow's development was sabotaged this game.
The Gators are truly horrible this year and Gainesville is a cesspool. Can't really blame Meyer for running for the hills.

Fontaine, please continue.

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Why don't you make a new thread for this crap, rather than ****ting up a good one?
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Why don't you make a new thread for this crap, rather than ****ting up a good one?
Why don't all of you ignore him, rather than making him the focus. That would keep the thread on track...
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On the drop by Decker in the first drive, I didn't see that so much as a drop. Yeah, it should have been caught, but Decker sold out for it. I'm not dissing either Tebow or Decker, because qb's are taught to throw low and outside, because if they miss or if the wr whiffs, there's little chance of interception. Tebow dould have made it an easier catch, but it was catchable. I groaned but didn't face palm.
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Why don't all of you ignore him, rather than making him the focus. That would keep the thread on track...
Why didn't you ignore my post? You just added another one and are helping to derail a good thread.
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Why didn't you ignore my post? You just added another one and are helping to derail a good thread.
Because I don't care if the thread is derailed.
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Vikings punt next possession, Matt Willis blows up Royal on the punt, Broncos recover and it's the 3rd drive of the 2nd half:

1-10 on Vikings 22: Yes, you guessed it, OL+TE, two wide with Larsen/Willis in the backfield, Tebow under center.

Negative: The NT just gets underneath Kuper and the rest of the Vikings front four do a great job of holding the point of attack at the line.

Larsen runs into the back of Kuper (maybe to help him) then swings to the B gap and just gets an arm to a LB to slow him, but the run looks dead.

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Clady does a good job of stopping Allen from crashing inside which leaves the left side empty. Willis, never really slowing, just cuts back outside on a sweet move and powers for a 17 yard gain taking two defenders with him. The guys runs like a Mack Truck on rocket fuel.

4th quarter and this is the first time Billick mentions Larsen, except he calls him just the fullback.

1-10: OL+TE blocking, Two WRs lined up close in tight on either side with Larsen/Willis, Tebow under center and it's an obvious run formation.

9 Defenders in the box, no hole inside so Willis cuts outside the right tackle, 23 gets about a 5 yard start to slam Willis except he just bounces off of him and he gains two more yards taking two defenders with him.

Negative: Fells called for blatant holding even though Wilis had run past the defender.


1-20: Same formation as above.

Negative: Clady stumbles out of his block which is to the interior as Kuper is pulling out to the left. This springs Henderson free to take down Willis for no gain.

2-19: OL plus 4 wide, shotgun with Ball in the backfield.

Negative: Vikings rush five with one deep safety. Right side of the line can't contain the rush, Allen powers his inside and Tebow has three defenders converging on him in under two seconds at the top of his dropback. Willis/Ball just stand around and block nobody when Tebow runs even though he's running right at them.

Positive: Tebow shows no hesitation and bursts forward for a nice 8 yard gain.

Note: Billick says that he loves now that it's 3rd and 12 to see the growth and development of Tebow as a QB to judge how he can make the throw and convert. As if converting 3rd and 12 is a realistic expectation for any young QB. What a douche.

3rd-12: OL+TE lined up in pass formation. 37 motions out wide to make it 4 wide. Tebow in the shotgun.

Vikings have 4 down lineman with a LB showing blitz, then peels off to coverage and two deep cover.

Negative: Very low snap. Kuper gets off a good punch move but 93 (Kevin Williams I think) recovers and just slams away Kuper with a right counter that leaves Kuper nearly on the ground. Clady rollerskates his way back into Tebow and in two seconds the QB has two DL right in his grill.

Positive: Tebow sees Williams coming and in an instant evades the sack, rolls right and just rifles a pass to Willis on the sideline for a 16 yard gain.

Flag on the play: Crappy call by ref: Clady who grabs/slams Allen into the ground after Allen pushes his hands right into Clady's facemask. It should have been Allen called on that play but the ref just blew the call.

3rd and longer: Still pissed off at the last call, Denver runs some draw play to Ball for a small gain. Time to punt.

Notes: Billick continues his douche ways and ends it with completely ignoring Allen's illegal hands to the face on Clady, even in the slow mo replays.

A flag on Fells, poor pass protection, and a stupid call by the ref blew this drive. Even though Tebow/Willis's did enough to keep it going.

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Sorry in advance this isn't a Tebow worship thread.

Negative: Predicteable, Conservative play calling...
Totally describes Fox when the team is not far behind, how typical~!!

Not one negative take on Tebow, interesting considering the guy was not supposed to be able to play at this level.

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Vikings score on the next possession. Aromushogu abuses Goodman, Gerhardt continues to abuse Mays and the run D, Harvin springs free for a long TD.

Dawkins dresses down the defense on the sidelines. Something tells me he didn't say "We're just trying to win a muth*****n game!"

Score 21-29 Vikings.

Broncos 4th drive of the 2nd half. 9:35 on the playclock.

1-10 on Viking 34: OL+TE blocking. Larsen/Willis in the backfield, Decker/DT lined up on the left, then Dekcer motions over right. Tebow under Center.

Vikings have 5 defenders at the line, two LBers with a safety cheating up into the box. Tebow reads the defense.

Henderson blitzes.

Negative: Franklin allows his DE to get beside him to start running to Tebow's blindside.

Positive: DT beats the jam at the line of scrimmage, powers downfield. Play action pass by Tebow releases the ball under three seconds for a perfect 25 yard strike to Thomas. Remember that safety cheating up and Tebow reading him? Well Tebow threw to THAT side of the field knowing the safety had vacated his coverage responsibility to go into run support. Heady play.

1-10 on Vikings 24: Same base formation. OL+TE, two wide, Larsen/Willis, Tebow under center.

Vikings with 8 in the box, two deep cover.

Positives: All of the OL stay upright and maintain clean, strong block. Larsen powers through the B gap, clearing a defender, Willis follows him to open real estate since their LBers were over aggressive and should have stayed back because the safeties were deep.

Willis breaks to the 2nd level at the first down marker with a head full of steam and two safeties, the right CB waiting. Willis jukes inside the middle safety who whiffs and lands on his a$$. He moves towards the Right CB, fakes him with the same move and leaves him landing on his a$$ and powers his way to the right sideline for a 24 yard TD romp.

Semper Victor Willis McGahee.
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Willis juking the safety on previous play.

See number 36 at the top of the screen? He's next.
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Willis juking the other defender (number 36) on the same previous play. 36 kneels down and does his "Tebowing" pose in awe of Willis McGahee.

You can still see the first safety Willis juked at the bottom of the screen. Still lying down, in a part awe/part humiliation induced coma.
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Not much to say about the next play on the two point conversion except that some poor bastard (number 23) ended up in the C gap to bravely and foolishly try to stop Tebow from running it in.

Now, I've watched this on slow mo several time and two things happen:

1. Tebow nevers slows down. Even when he's running over the defender.
2. Number 23 ends up doing a side flip and lands on his butt.
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