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Old 12-06-2011, 08:55 AM   #1
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"It's easy to understand why Elway refuses to embrace Tebow. Elway came to the Broncos as the most pro-ready quarterback of his generation, yet people in Denver hammered him for 10 years. They were still making fun of his teeth in 1998. He must look at Tebow's fan base and think, Why do they love him so much? I was more polished than this guy as a senior in high school. This is insane. What am I not seeing?"

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Old 12-06-2011, 08:59 AM   #2
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Yeah. He was more polished yet less accurate through his first 10 games. But people hammer Tebow on his accuracy......
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:00 AM   #3
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A fairly interesting read.
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**** ..............really ..........we need a sarcasm smiley this **** is gettin insane
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:06 AM   #5
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I really love Klosterman. If I could sit down with one person for an hour and talk about society and life, he'd be in my top 5 choices. Not a huge fan of his fiction, but his non fiction books are always interesting.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:13 AM   #7
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Mostly just a more intelligent than usual take on the religious hubbub that surrounds the Tebow controversy. While the criticism of Tim on the whole has had more to do with playing style, hype coming out of college, etc I thought this paragraph nailed why he elicits hate from so many casual sports fans (especially on the Internet):

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I doubt many Christians believe that God is unfairly helping Tebow win games in the AFC West. I'm sure a few hardcores might, but not many. However, I get the impression that especially antagonistic secularists assume this assumption infiltrates every aspect of Tebow's celebrity, and that explains why he's so beloved by strangers they cannot relate to. Their negative belief is that penitent, conservative Americans look at Tebow and see a man being "rewarded" for his faith, which validates the idea that believing in something abstract is more important than understanding something real. And this makes them worried about the future, because they see that thinking everywhere. It seems like the thinking that ran this country into the ground.
The Roethlisberger perception comparison was also a good take, I thought.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:16 AM   #8
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This is a great read, even if you don't agree with everything as I do. He hits many, many layers. Thank you for posting this.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:16 AM   #9
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Mostly just a more intelligent than usual take on the religious hubbub that surrounds the Tebow controversy. While the criticism of Tim on the whole has had more to do with playing style, hype coming out of college, etc I thought this paragraph nailed why he elicits hate from so many casual sports fans (especially on the Internet):



The Roethlisberger perception comparison was also a good take, I thought.
Exactly. He really captures both sides, which is helpful to some who don't understand the other. Love his brutal honesty with himself. As a reader you have immediate buy-in.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:19 AM   #11
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In a thread about safeties. The people who complain about too much coverage are the media who are the one covering him and the ones who post about him constantly on here.
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A fairly interesting read.
An interesting read, but also one that attempts to downplay his influence on the game with his play, as in suggesting he "completed three passes of 20 yards or more" in the 2nd half, ie; suggesting little more needed to be said, but anyone who watched that knows that doesn't speak to what was happening in the game or what he did. I found it philosophically provoking and better than most of the drivel being written though.
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Interesting piece of writing. Maybe he's right? Perhaps Tebow isn't the issue? Perhaps he's just a catalyst that drives us to peel away at the world we live in, like an onion? Times are bad and there's a struggle between faith and cynicism. He wouldn't be the first sports figure to become the metaphor of his times.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:26 AM   #14
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I had to look up the word pejorative.
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Mostly just a more intelligent than usual take on the religious hubbub that surrounds the Tebow controversy. While the criticism of Tim on the whole has had more to do with playing style, hype coming out of college, etc I thought this paragraph nailed why he elicits hate from so many casual sports fans (especially on the Internet):



The Roethlisberger perception comparison was also a good take, I thought.
That was a great passage. Klosterman is the ****ing man. Always loved his nonfiction work.
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Interesting piece of writing. Maybe he's right? Perhaps Tebow isn't the issue? Perhaps he's just a catalyst that drives us to peel away at the world we live in, like an onion? Times are bad and there's a struggle between faith and cynicism. He wouldn't be the first sports figure to become the metaphor of his times.
Well, Tebow DEF isnt the issue...he's really a passive public figure that people love to have an opinion on. All he does is play football and say nice things. His mere presence, based on his values and his unorthodox play, is a kickstarter for someones own self-reflective opinion.
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this

This, I think, is what makes Tebow so maddening to those who hate him: He refuses to say anything that would validate the suspicion that he's fake (or na´ve or self-righteous or dumb).

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It's not that he usually says the right things; he only says the right things, all the time.

love tebows talent on the field, and his personality and nonflava clown attitude off it.
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"It's easy to understand why Elway refuses to embrace Tebow.
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It may be easy to understand the many reasons why, but coping with it is not. Elway ought to recuse himself from the FO.
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It may be easy to understand the many reasons why, but coping with it is not. Elway ought to recuse himself from the FO.
You should recuse yourself from the OM.
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Well, Tebow DEF isnt the issue...he's really a passive public figure that people love to have an opinion on. All he does is play football and say nice things. His mere presence, based on his values and his unorthodox play, is a kickstarter for someones own self-reflective opinion.
Yep. It goes pretty deep. Why does Iago hate Othello? Shakespeare gives no legitimate reason. Just because. Why does Snidely Whiplash hate Dudley Do-Right?
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Yep. It goes pretty deep. Why does Iago hate Othello? Shakespeare gives no legitimate reason. Just because. Why does Snidely Whiplash hate Dudley Do-Right?
You know...
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It may be easy to understand the many reasons why, but coping with it is not. Elway ought to recuse himself from the FO.
Hey Broncbow -- I'm guessing that you're a former Tebow/Gators fan who has followed his favorite player to the NFL and the Denver Broncos. That's more than cool -- we're pleased and honored to welcome you to the family.

However, I think you should realize that most of us on this board feel the same way about John Elway that you do about Tim Tebow -- I lived and died with that man every Sunday for 13 seasons, from 1986 to 1998. He was my boyhood sports idol, and always will be.

I don't agree with his current handling of the Tebow situation -- but we Broncos fans owe him a huge debt for all he's done for the franchise over the years, and I think he has earned our patience and our respect. He's a rookie at this job, but like Tebow, he's a winner and he's going to keep coming to work and getting better. Give him a chance, and realize that comments like those above are inflammatory to us old-schoolers.

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Hey Broncbow -- I'm guessing that you're a former Tebow/Gators fan who has followed his favorite player to the NFL and the Denver Broncos. That's more than cool -- we're pleased and honored to welcome you to the family.

However, I think you should realize that most of us on this board feel the same way about John Elway that you do about Tim Tebow -- I lived and died with that man every Sunday for 13 seasons, from 1986 to 1998. He was my boyhood sports idol, and always will be.

I don't agree with his current handling of the Tebow situation -- but we Broncos fans owe him a huge debt for all he's done for the franchise over the years, and I think he has earned our patience and our respect. He's a rookie at this job, but like Tebow, he's a winner and he's going to keep coming to work and getting better. Give him a chance, and realize that comments like those above are inflammatory to us old-schoolers.
well said ........very well said
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do you understand the word sarcasm ?
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