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Old 12-04-2011, 11:27 PM   #1
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"And here’s the thing: Tebow is the NFL’s Most Valuable Player.

Not officially, of course. It’s just an opinion. No matter what his passer rating is or QBR, or even his technically inept throwing motion -- not the way any youth coach would teach -- he’s more valuable to his team than any other player in the league. Aaron Rodgers is his closest competition.

When Tebow took over, the Broncos were 1-4. Now, after Tebow had yet another miracle comeback Sunday to win at Minnesota, they are 7-5.

Is Tebow more valuable to the Broncos than Rodgers is to the Packers? There is no right answer, no proof. The Packers wouldn’t be perfect without him. But they would win their division.

The Broncos are losers without Tebow. Now, everyone on the team believes all the way to the finish line.

Rodgers is the best player. Tom Brady is next. Tebow is most valuable, if the Broncos go on to win the division."

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Old 12-04-2011, 11:31 PM   #2
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The proof is 12-0 vs. 6-1 (7-5).
Tebow is the MVP of our hearts, but not the league...so far.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:33 PM   #3
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The proof is 12-0 vs. 6-1 (7-5).
Tebow is the MVP of our hearts, but not the league...so far.
The article isn't from a Broncos fan...its from a columnist at foxsports.com
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:41 PM   #4
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The article isn't from a Broncos fan...its from a columnist at foxsports.com
Didnt read the article. Maybe the guys a Bronco fan?

I know we would not be where we are without Tebow. I don't want to take anything away from him, and I can't wait to see how far he takes us this year and into the future.

But would the Pack be 12-0 without Rodgers? I say the answer is no.
The best player in the league is quite frequently the most valuable to their team.
Unless Rodgers has an unprecedented collapse he will be the clear MVP.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:46 PM   #5
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He doesn't deserve to win it yet, but I think a few votes for it in order. IMO Drew Brees needs to be in the equation, Rodgers not a runaway IMO.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:47 PM   #6
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Didnt read the article.

I know we would not be where we are without Tebow. I don't want to take anything away from him, and I can't wait to see how far he takes us this year and into the future.

But would the Pack be 12-0 without Rodgers? I say the answer is no.
The best player in the league is quite frequently the most valuable to their team.
Unless Rodgers has an unprecedented collapse he will be the clear MVP.
Well, I posted this one because it was written by a national columnist.

A couple of weeks ago I posted a thread asking if Von Miller was the DPOY. I got alot of "He may be rookie of the year, but not DPOY" in response. While that may ultimately be revealed to be true, the question can be raised that Von is a legit DPOY candidate.

In a similar way, you can begin to raise the question as to whether or not Tebow is in that conversation...and that is a HUGE accomplishment in itself. Tebow has the football world on its head. A 1-4 team is now a division leader. Tebow is the player who has been the dominant clutch force driving the team to a 6-1 record over his tenure.

The idea has been raised by a columnist...that is the important thing here. National writers are starting to acknowledge what Tebow is accomplishing.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:53 PM   #7
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Well, I posted this one because it was written by a national columnist.

A couple of weeks ago I posted a thread asking if Von Miller was the DPOY. I got alot of "He may be rookie of the year, but not DPOY" in response. While that may ultimately be revealed to be true, the question can be raised that Von is a legit DPOY candidate.

In a similar way, you can begin to raise the question as to whether or not Tebow is in that conversation...and that is a HUGE accomplishment in itself. Tebow has the football world on its head. A 1-4 team is now a division leader. Tebow is the player who has been the dominant clutch force driving the team to a 6-1 record over his tenure.

The idea has been raised by a columnist...that is the important thing here. National writers are starting to acknowledge what Tebow is accomplishing.
I absolutely agree that he should be in the conversation. The spark he has added to this team is nothing short of amazing. The fact that he is getting his name dropped by a national columnist for MVP is not surprising. Realistically though it's a pipe dream if Rodgers keeps it up.
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Old 12-04-2011, 11:58 PM   #8
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The coolest part about this whole Tebow phenomenon is that he is earning this.

He is taking the starting QB spot for the future. He's doing exactly what the coach has asked. He is endearing himself to coaches, players, and fans by going about things the right way and deflecting credit to everyone but himself. He is keeping himself from hurting the team while at the same time he contributes to the wins.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:03 AM   #9
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The coolest part about this whole Tebow phenomenon is that he is earning this.

He is taking the starting QB spot for the future. He's doing exactly what the coach has asked. He is endearing himself to coaches, players, and fans by going about things the right way and deflecting credit to everyone but himself.
Totally ... And he looks so much calmer as he throws and the ball is coming out smoother and more effortlessly... Not only on deep balls but like on that little cross to Wills with 3mins to go in the game. It's like he's not as stressed/pressing as much and it's letting him have much better touch on the ball/control ...

That cross to Willis he takes a little off and hits him in stride. He's coming along nicely.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:12 AM   #10
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Normally the MVP award is for the best all around player. I don't think Tebow is in that league but if you just spell out the abbreviation of Most Valuable Player, he is to this team. He has helped turn this team around completely. With Tebow coming in after 5 games, it is proof that there is a difference. Fun discussion but ultimately the award would go to someone like Rodgers.
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Old 12-05-2011, 03:04 AM   #11
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Isn't like the last defensive player to win the MVP Lawerence Taylor in 1986 or some ****? This award is defined as the offensive player with the best stats, which is usually a QB and sometimes a RB. Rarely, if ever, is the actual value to one's team a determining quality.
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Old 12-05-2011, 03:26 AM   #12
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I think Peyton Manning should win it. I always thought he was really good and "Won" them like 5-8 games a year... HE WON ALL OF THEIR GAMES EVERY YEAR. Holy ****, they're a mess without him. There's nothing good about that team without Manning.
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The proof is 12-0 vs. 6-1 (7-5).
Tebow is the MVP of our hearts, but not the league...so far.
do you even know what most valuable means? the writer explained it right there in his article! without rodgers the packers would still win their division. he can't be THAT valuable. without tebow this team is arguably the worst in the nfl. with tebow we're winning the division. got it?

of course rodgers is the better QB and easily the best player in the league right now. but not most valuable. same as brady. without him the pats are still a playoff team, we've seen it when he went down with matt cassel. peyton is a whole different story. so it has nothing to do with who's better. we're talking about who's more valuable to their team. and right now tebow is the MVP. its just that people = MVP to best player in nfl history even though it has nothing to do with it.
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Good read but I doubt GB wins that division without Rodgers.
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The answer is still no.
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I don't really care about MVP. Elway only won it once in his great career, so I don't find it that important.
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I wouldn't vote Tebow MVP yet. He has exceeded expectations though. For a player that so many doubted, with many sure that he would fail, he has been amazing. He is now 6-1 with a 1-4 team. He has taken a 4-14 team to 7-3.

I laugh when I see people compare this to Ortons 6-0 run. The year before Orton showed up, this team was one of the most injured teams in the NFL. They were 8-8. Orton went 8-8. Now go ahead and think about that for a minute. 8-8 to 8-8 vs 4-14 to 7-3...
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:39 AM   #20
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When Tebow took over, the Broncos were 1-4. Now, after Tebow had yet another miracle comeback Sunday to win at Minnesota, they are 7-5.
If this is their sole argument, I think it's safe to say that a few other teams would have this same or similar record if they had Orton to start the season and then switched to their real starters after 5 games.

Packers
Bears (just look at them now without Cutler)
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It is one thing for Rodgers to take a winning team and keep it winning, but to take a losing team and turn it into a winning one, well that has MVP written all over it.
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Alex Smith is doing the exact same thing Tebow is doing.
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Alex Smith is doing the exact same thing Tebow is doing.
yeah and tyler palko is doing the same thing aaron rodgers is doing
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