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Old 11-30-2011, 11:38 AM   #1
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I definitely give Denver D half the credit for 5-1 resurgence. But where was it through 1-4 start? It all started (and finished) with No. 15




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Old 11-30-2011, 11:43 AM   #2
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I'm going to assume had he wrote something bad about Tebow you'd be calling him an idiot.
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Old 11-30-2011, 12:00 PM   #5
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This is getting really old. The style of play that we've adopted on offense complements the defense. So yeah, the offense has helped the defense. When you don't turn the ball over, control the ball/run the clock, and have a good punter, you help the defense keep the scoring down.

So yeah, our defense has been huge but the offense is also helping the defense.

I was one of the people who wanted us to go for it on 4th and 1 in that overtime but I kind of respect that they stayed true to what they are by punting and letting the defense do it's thing.
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Old 11-30-2011, 12:40 PM   #7
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I was one of the people who wanted us to go for it on 4th and 1 in that overtime but I kind of respect that they stayed true to what they are by punting and letting the defense do it's thing.
I think we've got a kind red-headed-stepchild syndrome in those situations. We've been let down for so many years by our D, that it almost makes your stomach hurt handing the game over to them.

Luckily a pass rush makes all the difference in the world.
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At least it is a positive Tebow from media and not the "OMG! Someone said something mean about Tebow!" Then again, we need a thread about one statement about our QB?
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Skip Bayless is a sniveling worm. Just be glad he didn't start a rumor that Tebow is gay, like the one he started about Troy Aikman. Bayless is a piece of trash.
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I definitely give Denver D half the credit for 5-1 resurgence. But where was it through 1-4 start We played the Packers and the Raiders had Mcfadden and Orton was playing like a HS Player? It all started (and finished) with No. 15 and has nothing to do with bad playing offenses in this stretch




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Old 11-30-2011, 01:07 PM   #11
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the resurgance is not all because of Tebow. yes he has the team playing a lot more inspired, but you can't count out the resurgance of a healthy Doom and the effect that has had on Miller and the rest of the defense. McGahee who has been an unbelievably awesome pick up and his chewing up yards and the clock is helping the D as well.

Tebow deserves credit, but a lot of others need some credit too.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:11 PM   #14
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I have been glad that Bayliss supported Tebow when EVERYONE else said he was trash. And at the same time he often gets his priorities all mixed up and trashes someone else. He did give the Defense 50% of the credit, but he should tone down his support somewhat for the rest of the way and stop bashing the FO so much, for not having bought in sooner.

If he would simply support his position about one thing ( TEBOW) without making crazy statements about other things ( Elway/ Fox) that he has no concrete evidence for, he would sound almost sane a lot more.

Now that Tebow is playing and winning he is gloating about it. He should jump on the Von Miller Express, and support him for ROY, instead of gloating over Tebow wins..

I only hope that we carry the winning on for at least 3 or more games and can win the division. I honestly don't think a wild card is probable this year, so winning the division is our route of necessity, and I hope that we end up tied or better than Oakland.

The only down side to our winning the division is that it means Oakland won't and then probably will not have to give up that 2nd 1st round pick in 13.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:31 PM   #18
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:32 PM   #19
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Skip is one of the most annoying guys on ESPN and that's a real feat considering how many clowns are on that four letter network. The Tebow-love is strong in him, and its really annoying. As with all ESPN bafoons, Skip has little time or care for the facts.

The 5-1 defense is a culmination of a new defensive staff getting to know their players. They had no offseason, Skippy boy! You must have missed that fact while anointing Tebow’s feet all day long. Fox was hired not for his offensive prowess, but for his defensive resume. Good defense is synonymous with “Foxy Ball”. The 5-1 defense isn't Tebow'd, its a product of new and very good defensive-minded staff finally getting it’s imprint on it.

I know Tebow is football Jesus to these people, but for crying out loud, this is getting pretty stupefied up in here. The pedistal they put Tebow on is not healthy for Tebow. It really is. I feel for him, he's busting his butt trying to become a great NFL QB - basically having to learn how to play the position differently from how he's played it his entire life - and he has the wide-eyed awe inspired Skippy's of the world shouting from the roof tops that he's capible of parting the seas on the football field. No body can live up to that, and the moment he has another Detroit game, the kid's going to get buried. Tebow superfans really need to relax a bit. Let the kid become a great Denver Bronco and NFL QB. With all these zealots, I only see the kid crashing hard. I hope not but this may get ugly for this kid
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1) Skip Bayless adopting the "#1 Tebow Fan" schtick is what it is (annoying, but no more so than everything he has ever done before in his life).

2) Football Outsiders made more or less the same point this morning, albeit backed up by stats:

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If we look at the Denver Broncos defensive numbers before and after Tim Tebow took over in Week 7, we see almost no difference...

Now, part of the reason why there's no difference is that the Broncos got clobbered by Detroit 45-10 back in Week 8. So what if we set the line after that game instead of after six weeks? Well, now we see a little bit of improvement, but still nowhere near as much as you might expect...

Now let's look at the offense. Look at the running game before and after Tebow took over as quarterback, and you'll see where the real improvement in Denver has been.
Statistically, the D has improved a little post-Orton. But the huge leap the Tebow threat has brought to opening the run game is what swung the pendulum from close losses early against the Raiders and Tennessee to close wins in 4 straight weeks.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:47 PM   #21
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People forget the D should be carrying the team.. the D has all the talent. The d has all the experience..

But Tebow is over-achieving with the offense much more than the defense. Tebow alone made the run game go from the bottom to one of if not the best.

Also, for Tebow to be so successful offensively with Fox's offensvie ineptitude is especially impressive.

People say the defense is winning in spite of Tebow.. but the style Fox plays is detrimental to offenses.
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Statistically, the D has improved a little post-Orton. But the huge leap the Tebow threat has brought to opening the run game is what swung the pendulum from close losses early against the Raiders and Tennessee to close wins in 4 straight weeks.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:54 PM   #24
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Skip just reacts to what he sees.

He picked his Sooners to beat Florida in the '09 BCS Title game.

His Sooners got Tebowed, Skip jumped on the Tebow train, and here we are.
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