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Old 11-26-2011, 07:15 PM   #1
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I've got a couple question for the savvy Maners out there:

1) Why do we struggle so much, year after year, against the screen?

I just watched the Jet tape and noticed that they hit us multiple times and they are not considered to be a good screen offense. Defensively, our biggest strength is our pass rush but I fear it could be countered with more screens. As you all know, Rivers and the Bolts are one of the better screen teams and have gashed us for big plays in the past with it. Is this more of a personnel problem or schematic?

2) On the other side of the ball, why have we given up on the screen?

In Timmy's early starts it seemed like we had an awful lot of success with the screen but it has all but disappeared lately. Is it because there are too many defenders in the box? Is it because of the spy? Are opposing defenses game planning specifically against the screen?
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Old 11-26-2011, 07:19 PM   #2
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1) because our defense is really aggressive and the screen works really well to counter act that

2) probably because those are the throws that tebow currently struggles with the most. Threw them all the time when Orton was dink and dunking this offense
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Old 11-26-2011, 07:49 PM   #3
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Screens attack a blitzing team that gives up an underneath zone in pass coverage.

Offenses feature several types of screens.

Bubble screen vs. 3-deep or soft man-to-man

Jailbreak screen

The conventional or slow screen

The crack screen

To stop a screen either use cover 2 were the corners play the flats or QB contain .

Besides Champ Bailey we don't have good CBs .


TT is not very good with a short pass ..
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Old 11-26-2011, 07:58 PM   #4
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I think all teams have some struggles with it. We're just noticing it as fans. I watched a bunch of games last weekend and saw a lot of teams having success with it. I think it works on most defenses until they adjust.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:10 PM   #5
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I think all teams have some struggles with it. We're just noticing it as fans. I watched a bunch of games last weekend and saw a lot of teams having success with it. I think it works on most defenses until they adjust.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:11 PM   #6
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1) because our defense is really aggressive and the screen works really well to counter act that

2) probably because those are the throws that tebow currently struggles with the most. Threw them all the time when Orton was dink and dunking this offense
Tebow runs an excellent RB screen.
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Old 11-26-2011, 08:14 PM   #7
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Tebow runs an excellent RB screen.
He does... in a conventional offense. Against the zone read defenses aren't blitzing defensive ends (they're holding them in contain) and playing linebackers in a middle zone.

Getting a worthwhile screen pass off against that is really difficult. Screens work against teams that move past the screen aggressively up-field (see: Broncos defense). That's the opposite of what teams are doing to the Broncos offense now.
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He does... in a conventional offense. Against the zone read defenses aren't blitzing defensive ends (they're holding them in contain) and playing linebackers in a middle zone.

Getting a worthwhile screen pass off against that is really difficult. Screens work against teams that move past the screen aggressively up-field (see: Broncos defense). That's the opposite of what teams are doing to the Broncos offense now.
Thats a better explanation.

Tebow has hit on some nice screens both this year and last year with the Broncos. Knowshon had a nice one. Buckhalter scored on one against Houston last year. I believe that we hit on one against KC.
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:32 AM   #9
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Von cant be expected to slow up, its gotta be one dt. Savvy DCs will take one DT and have him be a screen spy, along with the mike assigned to the rb or playing middle zone.

Good OCs countered with stuff like fake bubble right, delay screen left that buck scored on. The latest and greatest is a play action screen, usually on a stretch play. Show something first, then screen. Takes out screen as something def is looking for.

Id like to see more rb screens, less bubbles.

Would love to see our dts target rbs and blast them as they come up field and are released.
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The screen pass takes timing and practice, such as a training camp would offer that the offense right now has not had together.
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:56 AM   #11
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We are not a terrible screen stopping team. And we have run some solid s teen plays.
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Knowshon's injury probably affects this too. None of our remaining RB's catch really well and McGahee has a broken hand.
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Two different reasons for the success of the screen against the Broncos, IMO.

The Broncos can be somewhat vulnerable now to the screen due, in part, to their aggressive pass rush.

In recent history they were vulnerable to just about everything in general including the screen because, with few exceptions, the defense was a pitiful collection of suck.
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Because they vacate the middle of the field way too much and get burnt on it more often than not
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Because they vacate the middle of the field way too much and get burnt on it more often than not
We also have a middle linebacker with really limited range.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:05 PM   #16
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I've got a couple question for the savvy Maners out there:

1) Why do we struggle so much, year after year, against the screen?

I just watched the Jet tape and noticed that they hit us multiple times and they are not considered to be a good screen offense. Defensively, our biggest strength is our pass rush but I fear it could be countered with more screens. As you all know, Rivers and the Bolts are one of the better screen teams and have gashed us for big plays in the past with it. Is this more of a personnel problem or schematic?

2) On the other side of the ball, why have we given up on the screen?

In Timmy's early starts it seemed like we had an awful lot of success with the screen but it has all but disappeared lately. Is it because there are too many defenders in the box? Is it because of the spy? Are opposing defenses game planning specifically against the screen?
Aggressive Defenses typically have issues with the screen. We have ultra aggressive players in Doom and Miller and not so bright players in DJ Williams and Ayers. Mix in the fact that Joe Mays is very limited and you have problems unless the line recognizes it's coming.
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Old 11-27-2011, 01:07 PM   #17
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1) Over aggressive and a lack of discipline on the DL, specifically the interior.

2) Good question
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