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Old 11-26-2011, 05:40 PM   #1
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First and foremost, I'd prefer Tebow get at least another year. I think with a full offseason to work on mechanics, more time to sculpt the offense to his strengths and acquisitions to fit this system (a running threat at FB, better compliment to McGahee and "athlete" role Eddie's currently playing) the Broncos could be a true contender. In fact, in a league where the passing game is being over-emphasized and defense's are getting smaller I think it would wise to attempt to become the league's premier "physical" team which absolutly jives with Fox and the current coaching staff. You're not going to out-finesse Green Bay, New England, New Orleans, etc. so why try to emulate that style? Again, just my opinion.

However, this doesn't mean Elway agrees with me - in fact, I have a hard time believing he hasn't already made up his mind about #15 and that's his right to do so. You hire a guy to do a job and he sinks or swims based on his decisions so if Elway wants to make a change he's well within his right to do so just as McD did when he came in.

With all that, if we assume Elway will draft a QB in round 1 - talk me out of Robert Griffin III. The Broncos will be too far away for Luck and I'd rather they move up for RG3 than any of the other QBs coming out. Something I like about the Tebow attack is that his ability to run creates larger passing windows than conventional QBs see, Tim just isn't accurate on a consistent basis. I also like that the defense has to respect his ability to run which creates cutback lanes and forces the backside defender to be honest. I see RG3 as a guy who can still provide these benefits plus he's consistently accurate. Obviously at his size he cant take hits like Tebow (in fact I've seen him fumble a few times after getting rocked) but he has great speed and vision and will certainly run enough to threaten the defense and gain yardage while being consistent enough in the passing game to take advantage of the passing windows all game long. When you get the added benefit that he'd be "their guy" and have the full support of management in addition to the coaching staff, to me he'd be the better fit than Barkley, Jones, Tannenhill or Foles. He could also provide a natural transition from where the offense currently is, almost finding a balance between the current attack and a conventional pro style. You could keep Tebow around and let RG3 learn underneath him as Tim would likely welcome the challenge but in all realty there's no way Elway's keeping this "Tebow Circus" around if he's already gone out and gotten his guy.

Again, I'd prefer the Broncos build up the defense/running game around Tebow for at least another season but if we assume Elway's already made up his mind that he's going QB in round 1 I think RG3 should be the guy... why am I wrong?

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Old 11-26-2011, 05:46 PM   #2
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RG3 is my personal favorite, but he will go top 5. Elway will need to mortgage the future to get him.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:46 PM   #3
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It appears that Timmy's inaccurate throws are not due to his inability to make the throws but with him being out of sync with the receivers.

Time should resolve the question - given many more reps - practice practice practice.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:47 PM   #4
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I agree with pretty much this entire post - my biggest question - is RG3 physically big enough (tall enough, heavy enough) to be an NFL QB?

He's 'listed' at 6'2" 220lbs, which means on planet earth he's probably about 6 foot in shoes. I know Brees isn't tall, but he's more the exception than the rule.

I worry that RG3 and Denard Robinson are the same player. (exciting college players but without the frame to be an NFL QB)
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:50 PM   #5
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My own guess is that they would prefer Barkley as he's a traditional pro style pocket passer.
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Since there is very strong chance that RGIII goes back for another year (he is already enrolled in Baylor's Law School) I wouldn't be to worried about it.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:51 PM   #7
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My own guess is that they would prefer Barkley as he's a traditional pro style pocket passer.
I have a similar wonder about Barkley - he's also 'listed' at 6'2".

The combine will be really interesting when they measure these guys.
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if you're going to mortgage,you might as well go for Luck.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:59 PM   #9
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I see RG3 as a guy who can still provide these benefits plus he's consistently accurate.
So was Tebow in college, before being forced to play with guys he has had less than 2 months to jell with.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:59 PM   #10
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If they were going to draft a QB cause they don't like Tebow, or his playing style, why would they draft another running type QB?
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:01 PM   #11
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RG3 is a dink and dunk offense hence why his pct is so high. he does have a fairly good deep ball.. i am not sure if he can make all the nfl throws though. Hes a smart kid with wheels .. not a big fan of his heigth.. im definitely gonna need more persuading
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:02 PM   #12
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RGIII will go top 3. I'll bet a dollar to a donut right now.
If Luck is 1A RGIII is 1B. No way we can get to #3 from #17 . We would have to lose quite a bit to leapfrog a bunch of QB needy teams
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if you're going to mortgage,you might as well go for Luck.
For Luck you would need mortgage squared. I don't see the Cults taking any offers, unless a totally ridiculous one.
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:14 PM   #14
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I thought we would give up our 1st and go trade for the stud kick returner from the Cardinals.
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RG3 is my personal favorite, but he will go top 5. Elway will need to mortgage the future to get him.
This is my fear, that his stock will continue to rise until he's out of reach. My theory (again if they were hell bent on QB in Rd1) was predicated on going mid-1st round.

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It appears that Timmy's inaccurate throws are not due to his inability to make the throws but with him being out of sync with the receivers.

Time should resolve the question - given many more reps - practice practice practice.
I agree with you, and his accuracy should go up in that case. Also, Decker wrote in his DP mailbag that the spin coming from a lefty takes some getting used to as well. As I wrote in the OP, I'm not saying I prefer RG3 to Tebow - I don't. I'm saying that if Elway does go QB in Rd1 and Luck is out of the question I prefer RG3 to the other options.

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I agree with pretty much this entire post - my biggest question - is RG3 physically big enough (tall enough, heavy enough) to be an NFL QB?

He's 'listed' at 6'2" 220lbs, which means on planet earth he's probably about 6 foot in shoes. I know Brees isn't tall, but he's more the exception than the rule.

I worry that RG3 and Denard Robinson are the same player. (exciting college players but without the frame to be an NFL QB)
Probably the top reason to doubt RG3, size. Although looks way more accurate than Robinson to me.

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My own guess is that they would prefer Barkley as he's a traditional pro style pocket passer.
Maybe, maybe not. Interesting Elway's scouted Luck, RG3, Jones and Foles in person but hasn't seen Barkley - yet. USC was up in Boulder the weekend he was in CA scouting Luck and watching the Raider game - but for a guy with a private jet I was suprised he didnt come back for that game and fly with the team Saturday. Instead, I believe it was Matt Russell that went.

Anyhow back to the pro style vs. athletic spread, my thought was that if Elway can't get Luck - why settle for a guy you may not necessarily love because of his skillset when you have an elite athlete in RG3 who looks very accurate too? Just my two cents there.

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Since there is very strong chance that RGIII goes back for another year (he is already enrolled in Baylor's Law School) I wouldn't be to worried about it.
I hadn't heard about this.

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if you're going to mortgage,you might as well go for Luck.
This I agree, I would only go RG3 if you could get him mid-1st. If his stock continues to rise I think Elway would probably stand pat and take Foles or Tannenhill.

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So was Tebow in college, before being forced to play with guys he has had less than 2 months to jell with.
While I agree the lack of time with WRs is effecting Tebow's accuracy we have to be honest and realistic about it too. Watching both QBs, RG3 is a much more accurate and consistently accurate passer. Again, I would rather go with Tebow but I'm just throwing this out on the assumption (that I believe) Elway is drafting a QB in the 1st round.

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If they were going to draft a QB cause they don't like Tebow, or his playing style, why would they draft another running type QB?
Because RG3 isn't just a running QB, he's a very accurate and precise passer with great footwork and pretty good mechanics. He just also happens to be very fast and a solid runner.
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The Broncos will be picking too far back to pick Griffin.

His stock will remain high as he shows well for the rest of the season and then when his measurables stand out.

He's a sprinter. Like track guy sprinter.
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The Broncos will be picking much farther back than Elway intended.
Fixed it for truth.
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:54 PM   #18
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RGIII will go top 3. I'll bet a dollar to a donut right now.
If Luck is 1A RGIII is 1B. No way we can get to #3 from #17 . We would have to lose quite a bit to leapfrog a bunch of QB needy teams
Wow, so if Barkley comes out... 1, 2 and 3 would all be QBs? That means you'd have to reach to get the next couple of guys, which I'm opposed to if they're not near-locks as pros.
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Barkley and RGIII are both going back to school. I'll put bets on it.

Barkley will go #1 next year, have a chance to win a National Championship and get more accolades. He is HUNGRY for more.

That is why you are wrong.

But, as Lombardi said well over a month and a half ago, RGIII is their guy.
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Wow, so if Barkley comes out... 1, 2 and 3 would all be QBs? That means you'd have to reach to get the next couple of guys, which I'm opposed to if they're not near-locks as pros.
Teams drafting ahead of the Broncos that will be picking QB's if they get a chance:

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Minnesota just drafted Christian Ponder and the Jaguars drafted Gabbert. They aren't going QB in round one. Lol.
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Minnesota just drafted Christian Ponder and the Jaguars drafted Gabbert. They aren't going QB in round one. Lol.
Minnesota won't, as Ponder looks pretty good. Gabbert is a huge dumpster fire. A very girly dumpster fire who doesn't want to get hit.
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Minnesota won't, as Ponder looks pretty good. Gabbert is a huge dumpster fire. A very girly dumpster fire who doesn't want to get hit.
Jacksonville has holes all over their team. Even though Gabbert sucks, they aren't going to use a first round pick to replace him. That team is all MJD and that is it. So sad.
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Minnesota won't, as Ponder looks pretty good. Gabbert is a huge dumpster fire. A very girly dumpster fire who doesn't want to get hit.
I cant see how anyone things that Ponder is a sure thing in Minny. He's Tebow who can't run the ball and doesnt pull games out in the clutch.

Gabbert is awful right now.

If either of those teams have a top 5 pick, I'd be surprised if they didnt take Griffin and/or Barkley.
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