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Old 11-18-2011, 12:03 PM   #1
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Victories are hard to come by in the NFL. The whole concept of an ugly win was something I have never been able to comprehend. Thursday night, the Broncos earned a great win, and Tim Tebow has now led them to three straight. It might not have been conventional or pretty, but it was effective.

All I could think about watching Tebow lead the Broncos on the game-winning drive was a Mark Twain quote about sword fighting, from "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court."

The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot.

Tebow is the unconventional swordsmen in the league. His final march was not a normal NFL two-minute drive -- he ran the option, some trick plays, some single wing and a few conventional pass plays. He had the vaulted Jets defense on their heels, tired from chasing him and his teammates around, as conditioning does matter a mile above sea level.

For most of the game, the Broncos option offense was held completely in check, showing no ability to run or pass. But when the game was on the line, Tebow found a way to make the plays when it counted. The biggest one of all was his touchdown run, breaking contain off the edge when the Jets decided to all-out blitz, something they had not done the entire game. Credit Tebow for recognizing the defense, credit him for making a quick instinctive decision and but most of all credit him for never getting frustrated during the bad periods of the game. Being competitive comes easy for Tebow, and it has become infectious among his Broncos teammates.

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I thought you had written this until I got to the link.... tricky bastard.
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Tebow is the unconventional swordsmen in the league. His final march was not a normal NFL two-minute drive -- he ran the option, some trick plays, some single wing and a few conventional pass plays. He had the vaulted Jets defense on their heels, tired from chasing him and his teammates around, as conditioning does matter a mile above sea level.
No, he had the vaunted Jets defense in their heels. Irregardlessly if the Iraqi army had nucular weapons of mass destruction or not they were not vaunted. Writers everywhere, please stop mutilating the language.
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It says so in the thread title...
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It says so in the thread title...
Ha, yeah I read it when the thread title was "An".
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No, he had the vaunted Jets defense in their heels. Irregardlessly if the Iraqi army had nucular weapons of mass destruction or not they were not vaunted. Writers everywhere, please stop mutilating the language.
is this satire?
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is this satire?
Yes.
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No, he had the vaunted Jets defense in their heels. Irregardlessly if the Iraqi army had nucular weapons of mass destruction or not they were not vaunted. Writers everywhere, please stop mutilating the language.
It's not wrong if used to praise Tebow.
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It was classic when NFL Network replay of that final Tebow TD showed a close up of his eyes right before the snap. You could see him looking left a few times knowing the heat was coming and you could swear you almost could sense Tebow knew he had them right where he wanted them, lol.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:47 PM   #10
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It was classic when NFL Network replay of that final Tebow TD showed a close up of his eyes right before the snap. You could see him looking left a few times knowing the heat was coming and you could swear you almost could sense Tebow knew he had them right where he wanted them, lol.
I saw that and felt the same way. You could see it in his eyes.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:51 PM   #11
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Great quote Rev. Mark Twain is one of my favorites. Not only is Tebow the unconventional sword fighter he is also the dreamer, the explorer, the risk taker. Twain wrote quotes about that also.

20 yrs from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do then by the ones that you did. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain

IMO thats what the Broncos are doing. They are throwing everything out and daring to try something new, led by a guy who is not afraid of any of the guys on defense. I think he would even be stupid, errr brave enough to take on Ray Lewis full speed.

And you know what I'm not sure there isn't some top end big boy, a Lewis, or maybe an Urlacher lol, who might just get that some game soon. End up Tebows Christian Okye.
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It was classic when NFL Network replay of that final Tebow TD showed a close up of his eyes right before the snap. You could see him looking left a few times knowing the heat was coming and you could swear you almost could sense Tebow knew he had them right where he wanted them, lol.
I'm watching wondering what it going on but from what people are saying Tebow may be the best ever at reading the defense when it comes to the option.

Defenders on the dline are not used to the Qb watching them that close.
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I'm watching wondering what it going on but from what people are saying Tebow may be the best ever at reading the defense when it comes to the option.

Defenders on the dline are not used to the Qb watching them that close.
He still has some work to do on the inside reads. Honestly, last night he struggled to make the right read much more than any of the other games we've seen. There are several cases where the Jets convinced him to hand off, when the whole defense was collapsing on the back (with Tebow's lane coming wide open).

He's unstoppable at reading the outside ends and he's really good at reading the tackles and linebackers, but he's far from 100%. They missed at least a few big plays last night due to mis-reads.

So he has room to get better, and that's a good thing
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:35 PM   #14
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All I could think about watching Tebow lead the Broncos on the game-winning drive was a Mark Twain quote about sword fighting, from "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court."

The best swordsman in the world doesn't need to fear the second best swordsman in the world; no, the person for him to be afraid of is some ignorant antagonist who has never had a sword in his hand before; he doesn't do the thing he ought to do and so the expert isn't prepared for him; he does the thing he ought not to do; and often it catches the expert out and ends him on the spot.
Given Lombardi's typical audience, he would've been better served to just go with a World Series of Poker comparison instead.
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here's one that imo was actually funny.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...hristian111811

And I think he's wrong. I don't think Tebow can take 250 rushing attempts a year, but 4-5 zone options are a different story. It's more about how far he can progress as qb as opposed to being a left handed thrower.
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He still has some work to do on the inside reads. Honestly, last night he struggled to make the right read much more than any of the other games we've seen. There are several cases where the Jets convinced him to hand off, when the whole defense was collapsing on the back (with Tebow's lane coming wide open).

He's unstoppable at reading the outside ends and he's really good at reading the tackles and linebackers, but he's far from 100%. They missed at least a few big plays last night due to mis-reads.

So he has room to get better, and that's a good thing
Well I don't know the option well enough to say that but i do know that when the DT rip your center and guard a new one on every running play, and get penetration, its hard to run in any system.

The FB couldn't even get to the gap before the DT was there already. What is Tebow supposed to read there.

You still have to block and execute and we saw that the big Samoan DT at our center for all his meals and snacks that day. Not sure if he got blocked even one time.
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The blogosphere has bastardized a bastard language.
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Bill Simmons article: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...-week-11-picks

"Before we tackle the "Quick Picks" for Week 11, we have to mention the latest episode of America’s new favorite show, TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BOWWWWWWWWWW! I’m on Team Tebow for four reasons …
1. I love how he drives every NFL expert, every saber nerd and most talking heads and sports columnists insane. They can’t handle a world in which Tebow wins ugly and sports defy explanation. It throws their belief system into total flux. The venom/condescension/disbelief pours out of them. It’s awesome. I can’t get enough of it.
2. Along those same lines, how funny is it when announcers try to rationally announce his games, run out of ways to say, "Another terrible pass by Tebow," pretend there’s logic involved, then eventually give up and just start laughing when he comes through late? I listened to Tebow’s fourth-quarter comeback in the car last night — the radio announcers (Ian Eagle and someone else) literally didn’t know what to say. They were just giggling like school kids. How can you explain this? Has there ever been a player who couldn’t even be successfully announced? During last night’s final drive, Eagle became so excited about Tebow's bowling over a Jets defensive back that he actually said the words, " … just got a mouthful of Tim Tebow!!!!"
3. I have watched something like 1,200 quarterbacks play that position the same way, or relatively the same way. I have never, ever, not ever, seen anyone play quarterback like Tim Tebow plays the position. It’s constantly entertaining beyond the scrambling. You never know if he’s going to complete even the simplest 5-yard pass to a wide-open guy; by that same token, you’re never surprised when he hits someone 40 yards downfield on the fly. It’s almost like Tebow is playing with a handicap, like he’s overcoming some sort of disability. He’s willing himself to become a decent NFL quarterback despite massive odds against him. I love it. He’s like Rocky Balboa crossed with Strap from Hoosiers crossed with some sports movie QB in a film that hasn’t been made yet."
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He still has some work to do on the inside reads. Honestly, last night he struggled to make the right read much more than any of the other games we've seen. There are several cases where the Jets convinced him to hand off, when the whole defense was collapsing on the back (with Tebow's lane coming wide open).

He's unstoppable at reading the outside ends and he's really good at reading the tackles and linebackers, but he's far from 100%. They missed at least a few big plays last night due to mis-reads.

So he has room to get better, and that's a good thing
Often, the call they call the play from the sideline as "give." He doesn't truly have an option every time they do the option motion on the Zone Read.
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"Before we tackle the "Quick Picks" for Week 11, we have to mention the latest episode of America’s new favorite show, TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-BOWWWWWWWWWW! I’m on Team Tebow for four reasons …
1. I love how he drives every NFL expert, every saber nerd and most talking heads and sports columnists insane. They can’t handle a world in which Tebow wins ugly and sports defy explanation. It throws their belief system into total flux. The venom/condescension/disbelief pours out of them. It’s awesome. I can’t get enough of it.

3. I have watched something like 1,200 quarterbacks play that position the same way, or relatively the same way. I have never, ever, not ever, seen anyone play quarterback like Tim Tebow plays the position. It’s constantly entertaining beyond the scrambling. You never know if he’s going to complete even the simplest 5-yard pass to a wide-open guy; by that same token, you’re never surprised when he hits someone 40 yards downfield on the fly. It’s almost like Tebow is playing with a handicap, like he’s overcoming some sort of disability. He’s willing himself to become a decent NFL quarterback despite massive odds against him. I love it. He’s like Rocky Balboa crossed with Strap from Hoosiers crossed with some sports movie QB in a film that hasn’t been made yet."
Simmons is getting it. He understands the Tebow experience.

Tebow is like Rudy Rudiger in Earl Campbell's body playing QB. Its so odd that its confusing to those who don't see it every week. Kind of like the biologists who found the duck-billed platypus and thought it was an animal sewn together from the parts of others...people who happen upon the Tebow experience don't know what it is they're looking at.
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from that article:

Tim Tebow is Frank the Tank from Old School. Most of the time, he's fun to watch because of all the terrible things he does: overthrow or short-hop a wide open receiver … or scramble around like a chicken with his head cut off. His ineptitude is entertaining, along with the appearance of being overmatched. But once or twice a game he has a "Frank during the debate" moment when he blacks out and pulls something spectacularly perfect out of his ass … and that too is entertaining and exciting. If you're a casual fan, you're cheering and enjoying that moment while simultaneously laughing and shaking your head because you can't believe this is the same guy you've been watching all game. In other words, he defies all logic.
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Tim Tebow is Frank the Tank from Old School. Most of the time, he's fun to watch because of all the terrible things he does: overthrow or short-hop a wide open receiver … or scramble around like a chicken with his head cut off. His ineptitude is entertaining, along with the appearance of being overmatched. But once or twice a game he has a "Frank during the debate" moment when he blacks out and pulls something spectacularly perfect out of his ass … and that too is entertaining and exciting. If you're a casual fan, you're cheering and enjoying that moment while simultaneously laughing and shaking your head because you can't believe this is the same guy you've been watching all game. In other words, he defies all logic.
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Actually, I'm more used to the Frank at the Debate version, perplexed when he struggles. I consider the path he's on to be absolute mastery when he's in his prime. When he's been at it 5 or 6 six years, look out.
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Actually, I'm more used to the Frank at the Debate version, perplexed when he struggles. I consider the path he's on to be absolute mastery when he's in his prime. When he's been at it 5 or 6 six years, look out.
Yep, people see something that is "different" and assume it is lesser.. People dun't understand how smart Tebow is. Champ said in a recent interview defenses HATE defending players like Tebow.
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