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Old 11-18-2011, 12:03 AM   #1
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Read any mainstream media article, and they all say the same thing. Tim was horrible all game until the 4th.

Was he "horrible" in the first half? He was 5 of 7 (if i recall) and one of those incompletions was a decker drop. He had a horrible third quarter and beginning of the 4th, but the first half? They didn't score much, but its because the Jets did a great job against our running attack and McCoy loses sight that the reason the broncos run offense can be effective is because of Tebow, so calling 4th and 1 plays where Tim is not an option is DUMB.

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Old 11-18-2011, 12:05 AM   #2
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The game was a defensive fight. Neither offense looked great.


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Old 11-18-2011, 12:07 AM   #3
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:08 AM   #4
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The game was a defensive fight. Neither offense looked great.


No doubt, but again, the media is making this a zero sum game. He was hardly "Horrible" in the first half.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:10 AM   #5
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Go advanced and edit. TJ should make you guys pass a test first!

Chris, I agree with you. Not that he was specatacular or anything special but I wonder why we didnt see him run more especially when our RBs werent getting many yards on their own.
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No doubt, but again, the media is making this a zero sum game. He was hardly "Horrible" in the first half.

The Broncos fanbase and the media have a different opinion of horrible. Eventually Tebow will wow passing the football. You can tell he is this close. And then the media will act surprised because they believe the nonsense they say.

But when it happens the rest of us will just roll our eyes.

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I think Rex would rather have had Tebow as his qb in this game. Sanchez threw quite a few bad passes, plus the big turnover.
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Rex looked so ****ing disheartened after the Tebow TD.
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Chris, I agree with you. Not that he was specatacular or anything special but I wonder why we didnt see him run more especially when our RBs werent getting many yards on their own.
Yep...wasn't much up the middle all game long.
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The Jets defense is pretty good. I am not one who subscribes to the "its all the receivers fault" excuses of the Teboners. However there were a crap load of drops in this game. Tim still is SUPER slow in his progressions, and it wasn't a great game for the offense in general. We scored ten points and couldn't capitalize on awesome field position, turnovers, nothing. We made the plays when we had to to win. However Tebow needs to be a better passer.
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The Jets defense is pretty good. I am not one who subscribes to the "its all the receivers fault" excuses of the Teboners. However there were a crap load of drops in this game. Tim still is SUPER slow in his progressions, and it wasn't a great game for the offense in general. We scored ten points and couldn't capitalize on awesome field position, turnovers, nothing. We made the plays when we had to to win. However Tebow needs to be a better passer.
Absolutely agree. Though his reads have improved from the beginning of the season. Footwork is next.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:28 AM   #12
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However Tebow needs to be a better passer.
Whatever people think about the issues surrounding the guy, whether it be bad play-calling, poor protection and receiving, or that he just sucks, pretty much every Bronco fan agrees with you on that. At least I would hope so.
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We started in their zone 5 times and could only put up 3 points.. Not good
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The critics love to hammer Tebow about his passing game but who tossed a pick 6 for a TD in this game? In 5 starts Tebow has 2 count em 2 turnovers. Screw Sanchez give me Tebow every time.

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The critics love to hammer Tebow about his passing game but who tossed a pick 6 for a TD in this game? In 5 starts Tebow has 2 count em 2 turnovers. Screw Sanchez give me Tebow every time.
I am starting to think Tebow actually thinks of this stat too much and tries too hard NOT to put it in the defense's hands. Problem is he might miss on our guys hands. Maybe too conservative on it. Sure he hasn't given up any but one pick six and int, but we blow many opps to move the chains through the air. Of course we have had some dropped passes that should be caught at this level. Not easy catches but ones that can be made.
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For all the ballyhoo about the zone read, and my little boner I had all week thinking about it, they sure abandoned that tactic right quick IMO. I can only think of one episode where it flat-out failed, and that was more due to Zane Beadles letting #79 of the Jets go Von Miller on his ass than anything else.

The option worked tonight, and I don't get the hasty consensus that Rex somehow shut it down. The perpetual RB dive on first and 10 gave me painful flashbacks to my stint in Slothville. So crucial to Tebow's success as a passer is the team's success running the rock, and the team's success in running the rock depends so much on Tebow's success running the rock.
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Read any mainstream media article, and they all say the same thing. Tim was horrible all game until the 4th.

Was he "horrible" in the first half? He was 5 of 7 (if i recall) and one of those incompletions was a decker drop. He had a horrible third quarter and beginning of the 4th, but the first half? They didn't score much, but its because the Jets did a great job against our running attack and McCoy loses sight that the reason the broncos run offense can be effective is because of Tebow, so calling 4th and 1 plays where Tim is not an option is DUMB.
McGahee looked hurt.

The crap about Tebow playing "terrible" is just the haterade being vomited back up all over the masses.
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For all the ballyhoo about the zone read, and my little boner I had all week thinking about it, they sure abandoned that tactic right quick IMO. I can only think of one episode where it flat-out failed, and that was more due to Zane Beadles letting #79 of the Jets go Von Miller on his ass than anything else.

The option worked tonight, and I don't get the hasty consensus that Rex somehow shut it down. The perpetual RB dive on first and 10 gave me painful flashbacks to my stint in Slothville. So crucial to Tebow's success as a passer is the team's success running the rock, and the team's success in running the rock depends so much on Tebow's success running the rock.
The run game clearly took a step back for some reason. Taking Tebow out of the equation with this running game doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me. Especially when you are down to your 3rd and 4th RBs.
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I am starting to think Tebow actually thinks of this stat too much and tries too hard NOT to put it in the defense's hands. Problem is he might miss on our guys hands. Maybe too conservative on it. Sure he hasn't given up any but one pick six and int, but we blow many opps to move the chains through the air. Of course we have had some dropped passes that should be caught at this level. Not easy catches but ones that can be made.
Oh I'm certain of that at this point. He throws a lot of "bad" passes that are actually more along the lines of half throwing it away. Or maybe you could call it "putting it where only your guy can get it plus". He seems to be hyper-aware of the possibility of turning it over and I think that does hurt him at times. Though it's also the reason he doesn't throw interceptions.
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The run game clearly took a step back for some reason. Taking Tebow out of the equation with this running game doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me. Especially when you are down to your 3rd and 4th RBs.
The Jets came out with the intention of making Teebs beat them with the pass anyhoo. No way the BS pro-set handoffs to the RBs on 1st-and-10 were going anywhere. A QB like Tebow who can run an effective option makes the defense play 11 v. 11, and when they start honoring that we can see the PA which will leave even our stone-handed receivers and dubiously-armed QB enough real estate to spread the field.
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The Jets came out with the intention of making Teebs beat them with the pass anyhoo. No way the BS pro-set handoffs to the RBs on 1st-and-10 were going anywhere. A QB like Tebow who can run an effective option makes the defense play 11 v. 11, and when they start honoring that we can see the PA which will leave even our stone-handed receivers and dubiously-armed QB enough real estate to spread the field.
McCoy and Fox seem to be allergic to play action unfortunately. In fact, am I the only one that has noticed they tend to avoid option reads that have a passing element as well? You know, read defense, handoff, keep and run, or pass? You know the thing Tebow was kind of the master of at Florida? For some reason they've decided to run Georgia Tech's offense more than Florida's, which makes no ****ing sense to me...

And tonight they even abandoned that, and just went with I-form run, run, pass all night. Honestly, McCoy and Fox just flat out baffle me with the choices they make offensively.
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I think Tebow played alright. He had about 5 or 6 passes where the receiver could have caught it. The passes weren't great, but they close. He sometimes throws too hard, or I think he would be a bit more accurate. The playcalling, at times, ticked me off though. At other times it was OK.
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McCoy and Fox seem to be allergic to play action unfortunately. In fact, am I the only one that has noticed they tend to avoid option reads that have a passing element as well? You know, read defense, handoff, keep and run, or pass? You know the thing Tebow was kind of the master of at Florida? For some reason they've decided to run Georgia Tech's offense more than Florida's, which makes no ****ing sense to me...

And tonight they even abandoned that, and just went with I-form run, run, pass all night. Honestly, McCoy and Fox just flat out baffle me with the choices they make offensively.
It'll be interesting to see what Skip Bayless has to say about this tomorrow. If you don't (or haven't) watch ESPN First Take on TV, you should TIVO it. Bayless has been predicting the horrid play calling since Tebow got the starting job, and he's basically mapped out exactly what the coaches need to do to make Tebow a successful passer in the NFL.

He always says: "Look, I'm not saying that Tebow will be in the Pro Bowl. But he's got what it takes to be a starting QB in this league. And all he does is win games!"
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:47 AM   #24
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However Tebow needs to be a better passer.
Kaylore, everyone knows this. But I don't know about you, but I see him getting closer and closer every game for the past 4 weeks. I was yelling at him last night to pull his head out of his ass and make that throw. But I could see that he's getting closer. It's not going to happen overnight. We all know he is capable of doing it. It's going to happen, and when it does, watch the **** out.
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Yep, Tebow played horrible handing the ball off every single 1st down, and seemingly every 2nd down too. Yeah, they had great field position, but Tebow is not the one calling the plays. And I have mentioned before, for all the speed Royal has, it rarely has as use in the offense.

Even his best season in the NFL as a rookie, he only averaged 10 yards per catch, which is pretty low for a receiver. So Royal has been used mostly as a guy to run 5 yard patterns since I guess he can not beat man coverage. So in other words, let's get some real receivers before idiots claim what Tebow can't do.
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