Ok, this is driving me nuts... - The Orange Mane

enjolras · 11-13-2011, 09:01 PM

Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

OrangeSe7en · 11-13-2011, 09:06 PM

When you go from one of a bottom of the pack in rushing team under Orton, to second in the NFL in rushing in only 4 weeks, it should be obvious why it works.

Tombstone RJ · 11-13-2011, 09:10 PM

just tell Bill it's fairy dust and magic. He'll understand.

Simple Jake · 11-13-2011, 09:10 PM

Colquitt also is a HUGE part of this.. Constantly pinning teams inside their own 20

vonqkilla · 11-13-2011, 09:28 PM

Good point in colquitt.

Kaylore · 11-13-2011, 09:31 PM

Good coaching and good game management by Tebow.

The offensive line has played better. The defense has played better. The special teams have played better. Tebow is better than Orton as a QB and game manager.

epicSocialism4tw · 11-13-2011, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjolras

Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

The Chefs had what...3 posessions in the first half? That's outstanding ball control.

DarkHorse · 11-13-2011, 09:35 PM

Hats off to Colquitt this year, the dude is playing phenomenal football right now. Hasn't gotten much credit but his play certainly isn't going unnoticed by fans at least.

schaaf · 11-13-2011, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkHorse

Hats off to Colquitt this year, the dude is playing phenomenal football right now. Hasn't gotten much credit but his play certainly isn't going unnoticed by fans at least.

Colquitt should be in the pro bowl he's been outstanding all year.... Besides that one ****show where he dropped and then threw it... **** you britton

spdirty · 11-13-2011, 09:40 PM

Yeah, we're 3-1 with Tebow and might be 4-1 had he started the Charger game, but what is this teams ceiling with Tebow as our starting QB?

My only point is that true hope to have a team that in the future can consistently compete for a Super Bowl won't be there until we have a QB who can consistently throw with accuracy.

And then there is the injury concern. Hold the ball too long in the pocket, become an option qb, the shelf life won't be long in this league.

Play2win · 11-13-2011, 09:45 PM

Bodies in motion, stay in motion. Bodies at rest, stay at rest. This how I would best describe the story of these two Broncos teams. One with Orton, one with Tebow.

errand · 11-13-2011, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjolras

Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

I agree...Tebow has done an amazingly good job of not turning the ball over...he's had a few close calls, but for the most part he's done his part in reducing our turnover ratio...

"football is a game of error...whoever makes the fewest errors wins" - Paul Brown

Sassy · 11-13-2011, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

Yeah, we're 3-1 with Tebow and might be 4-1 had he started the Charger game, but what is this teams ceiling with Tebow as our starting QB?

My only point is that true hope to have a team that in the future can consistently compete for a Super Bowl won't be there until we have a QB who can consistently throw with accuracy.

And then there is the injury concern. Hold the ball too long in the pocket, become an option qb, the shelf life won't be long in this league.

ColoradoDarin · 11-14-2011, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enjolras

Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games.

Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ough-for-tebow

You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point.

The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense.

So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

We are playing what Josh McDaniels talked about but was never able to implement - complementary football. Fox and the rest of the staff are doing a fantastic job.

HorseHead · 11-14-2011, 05:30 AM

again, he's started 7 games..."I need more accuracy"...wahhhhh...screw that, I need wins...

fontaine · 11-14-2011, 05:44 AM

Turnovers.

Orton threw 7 ints and had 2 fumbles in just 4 1/2 games.

Tebow has just thrown one int and fumbled twice in the same amount of games.

Gort · 11-14-2011, 05:51 AM

Tebowphobia.

they are afraid to admit that Tebow is a winner and that all that really matters in the NFL is wins and losses. they are afraid their colleagues will make fun of them. they are afraid they will lose credibility if they admit they enjoy seeing Tebow play, even if sometimes he makes the wrong decision or throws a wobbly pass. they are simply afraid to be the nail that sticks out because they know if they do, they'll get hammered down. so they mock and discredit him. but secretly, they wish they were him.

Tebowphobia.

Jay3 · 11-14-2011, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontaine

Turnovers.

Orton threw 7 ints and had 2 fumbles in just 4 1/2 games.

Tebow has just thrown one int and fumbled twice in the same amount of games.

And two out of those three were in the loss to Detroit, further reinforcing that that has to do with wins.

Jay3 · 11-14-2011, 05:58 AM

It's Moneyball all over again -- there's been a bit of drift away towards actually paying attention to what wins games consistently, predictably, reliably.

Doesn't mean the current recipe is the only way or even the best way to win. It just puts to bed the notion that there's only one way to win.

Doesn't mean that Tebow is a great quarterback. But it does mean that maybe, just maybe, the reason he was able to win so consistently over a LONG college career was not great talent around him, but the tenacity to execute a game plan that stays on schedule and protects the ball.

baja · 11-14-2011, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schaaf

Colquitt should be in the pro bowl he's been outstanding all year.... Besides that one ****show where he dropped and then threw it... **** you britton

I've heard he may even have the job locked up...

Play2win · 11-14-2011, 06:00 AM

"move the pile forward" mentality.

jhns · 11-14-2011, 06:01 AM

Tebow can run. Tebow opens up the run for others. Tebow has completed some huge passes at key moments. Tebow doesn't turn the ball over. It is pretty easy to see why he is winning so much more than Orton was. Then, you would probably have to watch the games to know this.

55CrushEm · 11-14-2011, 06:10 AM

We have rushed for almost 550 yards in the last 2 weeks. That's almost a 275yd/game average!!!

CRAZY.

barryr · 11-14-2011, 06:14 AM

I doubt we would be seeing many happy if the Broncos decided to air it out more and more turnovers were the result. The coaching staff is worrying more about winning games than satisfying those that would like to see Tebow fail so they can prove some idiotic point. Obviously Tebow will need to improve and get better, but for the coaching staff, if they have a shot at a win, they will take it and worry about developing passing in another game.

DrFate · 11-14-2011, 06:28 AM

People often have trouble understanding what they see if they aren't used to it. I've seen basketball referees blow a whistle because 'it looked like a travel'. Doesn't mean the guy actually took too many steps - but if the moved farther than the ref is used to or in a different direction - his natural inclination is to blow the whistle.

NFL talking heads can process Rodgers or Romo slinging the ball around like a good Madden game where both teams score in the 40's. But the Broncos recent play (run the ball, don't turn it over, play defense) is so out of the ordinary the talking heads simply can't evaluate it. We hear the cliches often - run the ball, stop the run, don't turn it over. This team is doing just that right now. If they continue to win games, other teams will try to copy it. I'm sure if you brought Vince Lombardi out of cryo-freeze he wouldn't understand the NFL game today where each QB throws the ball 50 times a game.

Broncos 2011 is simply playing a very old school style of football.

11-13-2011, 09:01 PM	#1
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,950	Ok, this is driving me nuts... Alright, this is just driving me nuts. In the aftermath of today's game I'm seeing articles being written that are all trying to figure out how in the world the Broncos are wining football games. Writers like Bill Williamson seem to be attributing it to pure intangibles, essentially claiming that the team just mystically plays better with Tebow: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...ough-for-tebow You don't have to look far to find others, but they all seem to be missing the point. The Broncos defense suddenly looks better because the offense is playing fundamentally mistake free football. They aren't always scoring touchdowns, but they are consistently putting the defense in really good positions. The combination of a ball control offense and the best punter in the league means that the other team usually has a long field and that bodes well for our high-pressure defense. So say what you want about Tebow, but he has really taken care of the ball. He's managing the game very effectively, and that somehow is consistently overlooked.

11-13-2011, 09:40 PM	#10
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	Yeah, we're 3-1 with Tebow and might be 4-1 had he started the Charger game, but what is this teams ceiling with Tebow as our starting QB? My only point is that true hope to have a team that in the future can consistently compete for a Super Bowl won't be there until we have a QB who can consistently throw with accuracy. And then there is the injury concern. Hold the ball too long in the pocket, become an option qb, the shelf life won't be long in this league. Last edited by spdirty; 11-13-2011 at 09:44 PM..

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11-13-2011, 09:06 PM	#2
OrangeSe7en Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,729 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	When you go from one of a bottom of the pack in rushing team under Orton, to second in the NFL in rushing in only 4 weeks, it should be obvious why it works.

11-13-2011, 09:10 PM	#3
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,519 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	just tell Bill it's fairy dust and magic. He'll understand.

11-13-2011, 09:10 PM	#4
Simple Jake Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Behind you Posts: 248 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rahim Moore	Colquitt also is a HUGE part of this.. Constantly pinning teams inside their own 20

11-13-2011, 09:28 PM	#5
vonqkilla Ring of Famer Abra Ca Fn Dabra!!! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: denver Posts: 1,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Good point in colquitt.

11-13-2011, 09:31 PM	#6
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,305 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Good coaching and good game management by Tebow. The offensive line has played better. The defense has played better. The special teams have played better. Tebow is better than Orton as a QB and game manager.

11-13-2011, 09:35 PM	#8
DarkHorse RPM Racer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 4,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kenny McKinley	Hats off to Colquitt this year, the dude is playing phenomenal football right now. Hasn't gotten much credit but his play certainly isn't going unnoticed by fans at least.

11-13-2011, 09:45 PM	#11
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,611 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Bodies in motion, stay in motion. Bodies at rest, stay at rest. This how I would best describe the story of these two Broncos teams. One with Orton, one with Tebow.

11-14-2011, 05:30 AM	#15
HorseHead Ring of Famer Stay thirsty my friends.. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,212 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bay Bay	again, he's started 7 games..."I need more accuracy"...wahhhhh...screw that, I need wins...

11-14-2011, 05:44 AM	#16
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,435	Turnovers. Orton threw 7 ints and had 2 fumbles in just 4 1/2 games. Tebow has just thrown one int and fumbled twice in the same amount of games.

11-14-2011, 05:51 AM	#17
Gort Registered User Gort has left the building Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,648	Tebowphobia. they are afraid to admit that Tebow is a winner and that all that really matters in the NFL is wins and losses. they are afraid their colleagues will make fun of them. they are afraid they will lose credibility if they admit they enjoy seeing Tebow play, even if sometimes he makes the wrong decision or throws a wobbly pass. they are simply afraid to be the nail that sticks out because they know if they do, they'll get hammered down. so they mock and discredit him. but secretly, they wish they were him. Tebowphobia.

11-14-2011, 05:58 AM	#19
Jay3 Sad Elway Ah . . . no. Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,406 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It's Moneyball all over again -- there's been a bit of drift away towards actually paying attention to what wins games consistently, predictably, reliably. Doesn't mean the current recipe is the only way or even the best way to win. It just puts to bed the notion that there's only one way to win. Doesn't mean that Tebow is a great quarterback. But it does mean that maybe, just maybe, the reason he was able to win so consistently over a LONG college career was not great talent around him, but the tenacity to execute a game plan that stays on schedule and protects the ball.

11-14-2011, 06:00 AM	#21
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,611 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	"move the pile forward" mentality.

11-14-2011, 06:01 AM	#22
jhns I'm all up in your face but you still can't C me! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha Posts: 12,405 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Tebow can run. Tebow opens up the run for others. Tebow has completed some huge passes at key moments. Tebow doesn't turn the ball over. It is pretty easy to see why he is winning so much more than Orton was. Then, you would probably have to watch the games to know this.

11-14-2011, 06:10 AM	#23
55CrushEm Dynamic Duo Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 5,646 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quanterus Smith	We have rushed for almost 550 yards in the last 2 weeks. That's almost a 275yd/game average!!! CRAZY.

11-14-2011, 06:14 AM	#24
barryr Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I doubt we would be seeing many happy if the Broncos decided to air it out more and more turnovers were the result. The coaching staff is worrying more about winning games than satisfying those that would like to see Tebow fail so they can prove some idiotic point. Obviously Tebow will need to improve and get better, but for the coaching staff, if they have a shot at a win, they will take it and worry about developing passing in another game.

11-14-2011, 06:28 AM	#25
DrFate Lord of Order Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tower of Fate Posts: 4,388	People often have trouble understanding what they see if they aren't used to it. I've seen basketball referees blow a whistle because 'it looked like a travel'. Doesn't mean the guy actually took too many steps - but if the moved farther than the ref is used to or in a different direction - his natural inclination is to blow the whistle. NFL talking heads can process Rodgers or Romo slinging the ball around like a good Madden game where both teams score in the 40's. But the Broncos recent play (run the ball, don't turn it over, play defense) is so out of the ordinary the talking heads simply can't evaluate it. We hear the cliches often - run the ball, stop the run, don't turn it over. This team is doing just that right now. If they continue to win games, other teams will try to copy it. I'm sure if you brought Vince Lombardi out of cryo-freeze he wouldn't understand the NFL game today where each QB throws the ball 50 times a game. Broncos 2011 is simply playing a very old school style of football.