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View Poll Results: Who is the real evil here?
Bowlen: Pathetic starts here 72 44.44%
Xanders: Common Pizza Boy to McD And to Foxworthy 23 14.20%
Fox: Carolina and Denver or BUST 10 6.17%
McCoy: Fox play calling Toadie 20 12.35%
Mcd: traded away an all Pro franchise 88 54.32%
Orton: Mr. "Whaat me worry?" neckbeard 6 3.70%
Elway: Desperately Seeking his Heir 3 1.85%
Tebow: Crucify him!! 8 4.94%
The _efense: Still 29th in pass defense 16 9.88%
Denver Scouts: Demarious Thomas, Tim Tebow, Quinn? 14 8.64%
The Locker Room Attitude: "Let me outta here!" 5 3.09%
Ghosts: Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, Mike Shannahan 12 7.41%
Other:_____ 12 7.41%
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:42 PM   #1
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:50 PM   #2
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The defense has not done anything to show the offense they can win...
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:53 PM   #3
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I lies soley with John Fox. He's not preparing this team properly. And I think even with my limited knowledge I could do better.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:59 PM   #4
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Let me put it another way...

Playing one of the worst rushing defenses in the league: I am going to run at them with everything. I am going to move the pocket in the passing game to get those fatties running left and right and to get my inexperinced QB out of the rush as much as possible. Then I am going to utilize Tebow in play action naked bootlegs.

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Old 10-31-2011, 05:03 PM   #5
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I pick Bowlen, Xanders, McD and Shanahan. The decisions at the top have stunk for ten years. The rest are too new to judge yet. You've got to give the Elway crew at least one season. Shanahan left the defense a stinking mess. McD left everything else a mess plus massively ****ed up the drafting. Xanders is a waste of space. And Bowlen, as the owner, is responsible for all of it.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:12 PM   #7
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Elway gets longer than that. About 4 more for me.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:16 PM   #9
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The one popps supported..
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:20 PM   #10
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What worries the most is seeing absolutely no improvement in this team.

I realize you have to give EFX more than half a year, but seriously, some improvement would be welcomed.

But it all rests at the top, whether that's Bowlen or Ellis I'm not sure.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:21 PM   #11
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I went with Other...Whoever's decision it was to hire John Fox.

Granted, Fox & the current FO have only been in place for 10 months or so but you do not start a new era with recycled, game has passed him by, coached his former team to 2 wins, kind of guy.

Somebody got snowed by his decade old accomplishment of getting an expansion team to the SB rather quickly. That & they were (semi-understandably) too anxious to hire a guy who was the exact opposite of McD. Young/Old, Brash/Conservative, Offense/Defense. It was pure PR.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:21 PM   #12
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Ellis needs to be added to the poll.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:23 PM   #13
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The whole organization played bad you cant point to one area and say that's why we suck ( its everything).
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:27 PM   #14
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Why is McClueless buried in the middle of this list when he is clearly to blame?

I will literally backhand that midget for what he did to the Broncos if I ever see him in out public.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:33 PM   #15
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It all starts with Bowlen. The erosion of the Broncos from an elite franchise, to a mediocre franchise to what we have now is largely on Bowlen.

He essentially allowed post SB Shanny to go unchecked and the results were scores of terrible drafts and Bob Slovick's defense.

He repeated the same mistake, hired McDaniel's and gave him way way way too much control for a 30-something rookie HC. He should have paired him with a GM like Eric DeCosta right out of the gate and then we probably wouldn't have had **** like drafting Tebow in the first round, the Alphonso Smith debacle and drafting Richard ****ing Quinn with the 64th pick.

Now, as evident by the lack of quality free agents signed, it seems like he's content to put the minimum amount of financial investment into the team too.

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Who do you think hired that tool?
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:54 PM   #18
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Who do you think hired that tool?
I didn't disagree with the firing of Shanahan. With the inexcusable defensive collapses beginning in the 2005 AFC Title Game and with that embarrassing loss to Buffalo at home, Mike's time had come to an end. Can't fault Pat for feeling like a change was necessary.

When Josh got hired everyone was excited about a young offensive mind coming to work with Jay and Co.

But the Matt Cassel trade blunder was the beginning of the end for Josh. Even before he even coached his first game.

Pat saw a guy with a lot of coaching brilliance, thought he had learned enough about good personell decisions from being around a guy like Belichick, and gave him a shot. Can't fault him for making what even I thought at the time was a good gut decision.
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Bowlen. Starts at the top. In hindsight .500 with mopeyJay was not the end of the world.


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Old 10-31-2011, 05:56 PM   #20
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Where's Shanahan and where's the all of the above option?
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As a REAL Denver Broncos fan who supported McDaniels for about 15 months I blame everyone but Josh.

Am I doing it right jhns?
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I didn't disagree with the firing of Shanahan. With the inexcusable defensive collapses beginning in the 2005 AFC Title Game and with that embarrassing loss to Buffalo at home, Mike's time had come to an end. Can't fault Pat for feeling like a change was necessary.

When Josh got hired everyone was excited about a young offensive mind coming to work with Jay and Co.

But the Matt Cassel trade blunder was the beginning of the end for Josh. Even before he even coached his first game.

Pat saw a guy with a lot of coaching brilliance, thought he had learned enough about good personell decisions from being around a guy like Belichick, and gave him a shot. Can't fault him for making what even I thought at the time was a good gut decision.
I don't fault him for hiring McDaniels. I was excited about the hire at the time myself. What I fault him for is hiring a 30 something rookie HC with an ego the size of Texas, and then basically allowing him carte blanche to make whatever personnel decisions he wanted. He allowed for the McDaniel's hubris to be in full effect and run the franchise completely into the ground.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:13 PM   #23
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for real... you guys really think McDaniels traded away an All Pro team?

Let me give you the depth chart of the 2008 Denver Broncos:

QB: Jay Cutler, Ramsey
RB: Michael Pittman, Selvin Young, Tatum Bell, Andre Hall, PJ Pope, Ryan Torain, Peyton Hillis
WR: Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Darrell Jackson, Glen Martinez (lol), Chad Jackson (lol)
TE: Tony Scheffler, Daniel Graham, Nate Jackson
LT Ryan Clady, Erik Pears
LG Ben Hamilton Kory Lichtensteiger
C Tom Nalen, Casey Wiegmann
RG Chris Kuper, Montrae Holland
RT Ryan Harris, Tyler Polumbus

DEFENsE

LE John Engelberger (lol), Eb Ekuban, Tim Crowder
LT Dewayne Robertson, Alvin McKinley, Nic Clemons
RT Marcus Thomas, Kenny Peterson
RE Elvis Dumervil, Jarvis Moss (lol)

WLB DJ Williams, Jamie Winborn, WW2
MLB Nate Webster (lol), Niko Koutouvides (lol), Spencer Larsen (lol)
SLB Boss Bailey (lol)

LCB Champ Bailey, Dominique Foxworth, Jack Williams (lol)
RCB Dre Bly (lol), Karl Paymeh (lol)

SS: Hamza Abdullah (lol), Josh Barrett
FS: Marlon McCree (lmao), Marquand Manual (lmao)



Look down that list people, what All pro team are you talking about? As you read through that list, you should cringe at some of those names.

Jay Cutler - Cutler wanted out, Bowlen told McDaniels to trade him... so what's a coach to do here?

Brandon Marshall - played with him for a year, and he was due for a new contract, the Broncos ORGANIZATION did not want to pay him what he wanted, so he was going to leave anyways.

What else? Hillis?... yeah that guy is real beast in right now...lmao

Ya'll are under some delusional BS that we had an All Pro team...smfh.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:16 PM   #24
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alot of choices were made.... actully a good poll for a change.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:34 PM   #25
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Mcdaniels, Bowlen, Ellis in that order.
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