Obama doing better than....

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 19% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -23 (see trends).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx

Barack Obama's Low Point:
38%


(several times,
most recently
Oct 11-13, 2011)

Jimmy Carter
31%



(October 1979)

...Jimmy Carter.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

Obama doing better than

You, obviously, he still has a job and you don't, evidenced by all the pollution you spend your days collecting and spamming the board with.

[TonyR]

I can't put it better than this longtime Dish reader:

Personally, I am praying that Obama's messaging improves drastically. (It has failed on multiple occasions - not the least of which was during August/September of 2008.)

The truth is that this President has done a good job in what has been one of the most difficult periods of modern history. He saved the economy from ruin (until the Tea Party took over Congress) with a stimulus that was as large as possible given the political realities, presided over a stock market that fairly quickly recouped many of its losses, presided over almost consecutive monthly increases in private sector job growth (unfortunately balanced by monthly decreases in public sector jobs which I attribute to the GOP further starving government), enacted the only meaningful healthcare reform ever in our history, passed financial reform (no matter what the Left says, he did this), saved the auto industry (which Romney is on record opposing), fired the first salvo of the Arab Spring with his address in Cairo no less, drawn down our footprint in Iraq in a responsible way (and headed toward almost total withdrawal), stopped numerous terrorist attacks in this country, stopped torture as policy, repealed DADT, joined the international community in a measured and responsible way to bring down an odious tyrant in Qaddafi, and killed a whole generation of al Qaeda leaders. And taking out Osama bin Laden the way he did will go down as one of the bravest military actions in American history.

I know this President is not popular, and it is very unpopular to defend him in such a way. I don't care. For this country to dump him for anyone on the other side would be a terrible thing. Progress is slow and painful, but we are doing it. Is that fashionable to say? No. Again, I don't care.

Amen. And the way in which the ADD media simply jumps to the next cycle of spinmanship only furthers the amnesia. But the Obama administration also shares some of the blame.

Many of them have been too focused on governing to explain what the **** they're doing. There's a technocratic arrogance to them at times that is too blind to winning and sustaining arguments and narratives. And this is kinda mind-blowing because the record is so remarkable in retrospect.

If you'd told me in January 2009 that the banks would pay us back the entire bailout and then some, that the auto companies would actually turn around with government help and be a major engine of recovery, that there would be continuous job growth since 2009, however insufficient, after the worst demand collapse since the 1930s, that bin Laden would be dead, Egypt transitioning to democracy, al Qaeda all but decimated as a global threat, and civil rights for gays expanding more rapidly than at any time in history ... well I would be expecting a triumphant re-election campaign.

But we are where we are - and the economic pain is real and the president must take his lumps. The good news for those of us who still back Obama and hope for his re-election is that even with all this positive record essentially dismissed and little of it capitalized on politically, Obama is still neck and neck with any likely opponent. And he is his own best messager.

At some point, he needs to shuck off the restraint, and tell the actual story of the last three years - against the fantastic and self-serving lies and delusions we keep hearing in Republican debates and Beltway chatter. If he does it with panache, he won't need a jumpsuit onto an aircraft carrier. And many of his missions may even be accomplished.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....ma-record.html

[Rohirrim]

Unfortunately, however successful Obama is at his incrementalism, this is not the time for it. The economic freedom of the American people is being incrementally stripped away. What we need is a president who can rise to the challenge of his times. Our entire government is infested with corruption. It is a wholly corrupt entity. The Republic is on the brink of collapse (trust me, if the middle class falls, this government is right behind it). We need a president who can visualize the great changes required to lead us into a new era and to begin to educate the people about what will be required of them. So many of our systems have failed. Economic. Healthcare. Government. Obviously, our ideologies are wrong. Our philosophies of economics and governance need a major overhaul to meet the needs of a changed world. Just puttering around with the machinery is the road to ruin. Our times require revolutionary thinking, not more of the same old same old.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Unfortunately, however successful Obama is at his incrementalism, this is not the time for it. The economic freedom of the American people is being incrementally stripped away. What we need is a president who can rise to the challenge of his times. Our entire government is infested with corruption. It is a wholly corrupt entity. The Republic is on the brink of collapse (trust me, if the middle class falls, this government is right behind it). We need a president who can visualize the great changes required to lead us into a new era and to begin to educate the people about what will be required of them. So many of our systems have failed. Economic. Healthcare. Government. Obviously, our ideologies are wrong. Our philosophies of economics and governance need a major overhaul to meet the needs of a changed world. Just puttering around with the machinery is the road to ruin. Our times require revolutionary thinking, not more of the same old same old.

What?!?! I thought Obama was the "Change" we believe in?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

What?!?! I thought Obama was the "Change" we believe in?

Or, we could take your path, which would be reactionary and even more destructive.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Or, we could take your path, which would be reactionary and even more destructive.

When push comes to shove. You'll vote Obama. Because if you worry a man at all (you are a man, right) you'd vote for Nader.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

When push comes to shove. You'll vote Obama. Because if you worry a man at all (you are a man, right) you'd vote for Nader.

The only way I'd vote for Obama at this point is if I saw him orchestrating perp walks for the the bunch of Wall Street thieves who brought this country down with their greed. He gets some indictments going, I'll stick with him.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Unfortunately, however successful Obama is at his incrementalism, this is not the time for it. The economic freedom of the American people is being incrementally stripped away. What we need is a president who can rise to the challenge of his times. Our entire government is infested with corruption. It is a wholly corrupt entity. The Republic is on the brink of collapse (trust me, if the middle class falls, this government is right behind it). We need a president who can visualize the great changes required to lead us into a new era and to begin to educate the people about what will be required of them. So many of our systems have failed. Economic. Healthcare. Government. Obviously, our ideologies are wrong. Our philosophies of economics and governance need a major overhaul to meet the needs of a changed world. Just puttering around with the machinery is the road to ruin. Our times require revolutionary thinking, not more of the same old same old.

Ron Paul is your only hope.

[Bronx33]

I am not going to pretend obama is doing a good job thats what ******* this country over.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Ron Paul is your only hope.

this

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The only way I'd vote for Obama at this point is if I saw him orchestrating perp walks for the the bunch of Wall Street thieves who brought this country down with their greed. He gets some indictments going, I'll stick with him.

Sooo the answer is a "no". Way to be a "man" of your word.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

Ron Paul is your only hope.

Then we are all doomed for this man knows not what century we are in.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by UltimateHoboW/Shotgun

Sooo the answer is a "no". Way to be a "man" of your word.

Troll.

[TonyR]

A hypothetical Obama stump speech:

As president, I have to address both domestic policy and foreign policy. Because of the way that the commander-in-chief role has evolved, I have far fewer political constraints on foreign policy action than domestic policy action. So let's think about this for a second. On the foreign stage, America's standing has returned from its post-Iraq low. Al Qaeda is now a shell of its former self. Liberalizing forces are making uneven but forward progress in North Africa. Muammar Gaddafi's regime is no longer, without one American casualty. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are winding down. Every country in the Pacific Rim without a Communist Party running things is trying to hug us closer.

Imagine what I could accomplish in domestic policy without the kind of obstructionism and filibustering that we're seeing in Congress -- which happens to be even more unpopular than I am, by the way. I'm not talking about the GOP abjectly surrendering, just doing routine things like actually confirming my appointments. I've achieved significant foreign policy successes while still cooperating with our allies in NATO and Northeast Asia. Just imagine what I could get done if the Republicans were as willing to compromise as, say, France.

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/pos...foreign_policy

[Rohirrim]

The rabid Right only cares about one thing: Destroying Obama. They don't care how much pain this goal of theirs causes the American people. They don't care if nothing gets fixed. They don't care if the Constitution gets destroyed. They just want Obama destroyed. I would say it is a racist policy, but they had the same policy toward Clinton. The fact is that the Right doesn't care a whit about democracy. They are only interested in ideology, dogma, and victory. Scorched earth politics.

[StugotsIII]

Obama will win in 2012.


He will tie Wall Street and Bush to current Republicans and win on his star power.


…and the country will get worse...

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by StugotsIII

Obama will win in 2012.


He will tie Wall Street and Bush to current Republicans and win on his star power.


…and the country will get worse...

NOOOOOO!!!

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The rabid Right only cares about one thing: Destroying Obama. They don't care how much pain this goal of theirs causes the American people. They don't care if nothing gets fixed. They don't care if the Constitution gets destroyed. They just want Obama destroyed. I would say it is a racist policy, but they had the same policy toward Clinton. The fact is that the Right doesn't care a whit about democracy. They are only interested in ideology, dogma, and victory. Scorched earth politics.

not sure if serious.

I do know this, BO is the one trying to destroy the constitution.

[That One Guy]

I don't see success as attempting to get the economy back to where it was before the crash despite the acknowledgement that the economy was hollow then and doomed to crash. The answer to too many people buying houses they couldn't afford has been to try to make the conditions favorable to get people to buy houses and keep the housing market inflated. The answer to all the debt everyone ran up was to try to get people to spend more.

Obama's failures, to me, are the same failures all of Washington has pursued. They want[ed] the short term fix rather than actually consider where things went astray and try to fix the actual problem. The problem is that we're not very competitive on an international scale, we inflated things beyond reason (stock market, housing, etc) and we really don't have an answer to fix these things aside from "try to get the air back into the bubble!". I can't support that. The f'ing bubble has a hole in it, that's why it can't be inflated again.

The other silly stuff he's done (DADT repeal, Obamacare, etc) is inconsequential to me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The rabid Right only cares about one thing: Destroying Obama. They don't care how much pain this goal of theirs causes the American people. They don't care if nothing gets fixed. They don't care if the Constitution gets destroyed. They just want Obama destroyed. I would say it is a racist policy, but they had the same policy toward Clinton. The fact is that the Right doesn't care a whit about democracy. They are only interested in ideology, dogma, and victory. Scorched earth politics.

Exactly.

There is no issue that is anything more than a political football for the flying monkey right.

The proof?

The way they pile on Obama for continuing the same policies they defended to the bitter end when the Kennebunkport Cowboy was in office.

Never heard one peep of protest from these BS artists about debt or deficits when Bush and the GOP were borrowing and spending America into extinction.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Unfortunately, however successful Obama is at his incrementalism, this is not the time for it.

"Incrementalist" is putting it politely.

Obama is the epitome of a DINO.

Even when his party held the majority in both chambers, all he cared about was smooching republican ass.

Of course, Democrats nowadays are essentially moderate Republicans.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Exactly.

There is no issue that is anything more than a political football for the flying monkey right.

The proof?

The way they pile on Obama for continuing the same policies they defended to the bitter end when the Kennebunkport Cowboy was in office.

Never heard one peep of protest from these BS artists about debt or deficits when Bush and the GOP were borrowing and spending America into extinction.

Not a single one? Ever?

Is that a ban bet offer? If I can find one, you'll take a hike?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

not sure if serious.

I do know this, BO is the one trying to destroy the constitution.

Really? Obama invented personhood for corporations? Obama decided a presidential election by fiat, ignoring the election rules in the Constitution?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

Not a single one? Ever?

Is that a ban bet offer? If I can find one, you'll take a hike?

If you could find one (dated before the '08 election) I would be very impressed.