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Old 10-11-2011, 02:58 AM   #1
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He flat dominated San Diego's DT in the second half. Denver ran off of Walton and Beadles several times, including McGahee's 23-yard run, Tebow's draw TD, and McGahee's 2-point conversion. Walton had his man in a box...just completely owned him (them) over and over.

Walton has come an extremely long way in a short amount of time. He was outstanding in this game.

Beadles too for that matter.
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Did you notice he was crushing someone at about the 5 yard line as Moreno was going in for a TD on that screen pass.

To be able to Be 15 yards down field on a screen pass in front of the quick RB tells menus is also quick and in this case Nasty.
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:27 AM   #3
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Yeah, I'd been meaning to start a thread about the O-Line as a whole.

They're coming on a lot, especially in the run game. San Diego have been no joke at all against the run this year and McGahee had 125 yards on only 16 carries.

Adrian Peterson managed 98 yards on the exact same number of carries, and no other runner has gone near 100 yards on them. Yet our guys really got some great push and opened up some nice holes for Willis to run through.

Hopefully they can keep this up, there'a lot of talent on that line, just a case of them putting it together as individuals and as a unit.

Sunday was encouraging though for sure.
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:15 AM   #4
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SD was playing not to lose on defense...we had to crack and dbl team their dline to create holes. Not a bad day...but we need to start well and beat these teams early with the run. At that point it wont matter who is under center.
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No sacks given up too, while our D got five. Only one sack given up last week playing Packers on road. Encouraging.
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I might rewatch to see the trenches. Glad he's starting to come around. I kinda started to give up on both. Lets hope Beadles and Walton continue to improve throughout the season.
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Remember, two of these guys are only in their second year...and they had to deal with the lockout. Hopefully we have our LG, C and RT of the future in Beadles, Walton, and Franklin. Would give us a young as hell line too, which will be immensely beneficial for continuity going into next season and the one after that, etc.
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It's improving, but still a long way to go.

On short yardage plays we still don't get enough push up front. I hope they bring in a vet in the offseason to compete against Beadles who's still a liability.
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Beadles is the most inconsistent. Franklin has issues letting defensive linemen getting under his pads and with using his hands in general.

Also bear in mind the Chargers D line is pretty ho-hum.

Having said that, they are playing better every week. Pass pro is very good and run blocking keeps getting better. They're definitely the least of our concerns.










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At the very least I'd like them to show enough that we can hold off spending a high round pick on the interior for at least one more year. We need to keep working on the defense.
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Remember, two of these guys are only in their second year...and they had to deal with the lockout. Hopefully we have our LG, C and RT of the future in Beadles, Walton, and Franklin. Would give us a young as hell line too, which will be immensely beneficial for continuity going into next season and the one after that, etc.
All true. Remember also that, due to all the injuries early last season, it took awhile for them to settle Beadles down at LG. That's also a continuity issue, because it hurts cohesion when guys are lining up next to different combinations of teammates every week.

Walton and Beadles still have plenty of room for improvement and it's going to take Franklin awhile to develop his pass-blocking skills, but they finally seem to be making progress. I think they still need some depth, but all things considered, we can probably drop this down one notch on team priorities for the 2012 draft.
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Walton probably makes it as a decent center.

But Beadles is out of this league in a few years. The guy has no game.
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It's improving, but still a long way to go.

On short yardage plays we still don't get enough push up front. I hope they bring in a vet in the offseason to compete against Beadles who's still a liability.
We should have had those vets last year, but I suppose veteran depth two years too late is better than never at all.
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Walton probably makes it as a decent center.

But Beadles is out of this league in a few years. The guy has no game.
Thats absolutely untrue and unsupported by film.

Go back and watch the game and actually watch the offensive line.

Beadles is no worse than Kuper, both of them are doing a good job and will be in Denver for the forseeable future.
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Beadles is the most inconsistent.
I challenge you to make a case based on specifics (not on generalities) that Beadles is any more inconsistent than Kuper.

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Franklin has issues letting defensive linemen getting under his pads and with using his hands in general.
This is an occasional problem that usually appears on passing downs. It was worse in the preseason.

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Also bear in mind the Chargers D line is pretty ho-hum.
Doesn't matter. A ho-hum defense should be handled by a good player and Walton absolutely handled their DT's and linebackers.

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Having said that, they are playing better every week. Pass pro is very good and run blocking keeps getting better. They're definitely the least of our concerns.
The team doesn't need to pick an offensive lineman in the first two or three rounds of the next draft. They're ready to roll for the next 5 years.
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They both had improved, but some o-lineman - he was a white dude but I forgot the number - totally whiffed on the Moreno TD. It doesn't matter because Moreno got the TD. Just sayin'.
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They both had improved, but some o-lineman - he was a white dude but I forgot the number - totally whiffed on the Moreno TD. It doesn't matter because Moreno got the TD. Just sayin'.
If youre talking about the guy at the goal line, it was Walton. Walton had run down the field parallel to Moreno and actually almost got to there to make the play and missed (not completely...he got a hand on the guy) because he dove in desperation.

It was a nice play.
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I noticed on several runs that the Beadles - Clady combination absolutely brutalized the right side of San Diegos defense, they were pushing 5-7 yards downfield.

I was surprised at how Franklin looked playing the blindside for Tebow, he did a pretty good job of forcing the pressure very wide when he got outleveraged and kept his hands on his opponent.
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I challenge you to make a case based on specifics (not on generalities) that Beadles is any more inconsistent than Kuper.
I don't have time to go back through each game and list specific examples. If you do it first to refute my point, I'll consider it. The fact is that Beadles generally doesn't give very good effort, where Kuper consistently does. And Kuper rarely just lets guys go by free where Beadles has done that all season.
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Walton probably makes it as a decent center.

But Beadles is out of this league in a few years. The guy has no game.
Do you watch Broncos games

Beadles is a ****in stud right now.

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I don't have time to go back through each game and list specific examples. If you do it first to refute my point, I'll consider it. The fact is that Beadles generally doesn't give very good effort, where Kuper consistently does. And Kuper rarely just lets guys go by free where Beadles has done that all season.
Beadles doesnt give effort? Not true.

Again, give some specific examples.

If I had to grade each player on the season, I would give them the same grade with a nod to Beadles given the fact that he didnt have an offseason to prepare and hes still a young player who can improve a lot.
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Yeah, I'd been meaning to start a thread about the O-Line as a whole.

They're coming on a lot, especially in the run game. San Diego have been no joke at all against the run this year and McGahee had 125 yards on only 16 carries.

Adrian Peterson managed 98 yards on the exact same number of carries, and no other runner has gone near 100 yards on them. Yet our guys really got some great push and opened up some nice holes for Willis to run through.

Hopefully they can keep this up, there'a lot of talent on that line, just a case of them putting it together as individuals and as a unit.

Sunday was encouraging though for sure.
Now the defenses have another weapon to worry about.

But that also is a dual edged sword we now have less passing game than we did. So watch for them to stack the LOS more than have been.

But then the hoggs uo front would rather run block than pass protect any day. Give them a chance to hit back. In the past our oline was finese and very little nasty. Nit so with the additions of the past couple of years.
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Beadles doesnt give effort? Not true.

Again, give some specific examples.

If I had to grade each player on the season, I would give them the same grade with a nod to Beadles given the fact that he didnt have an offseason to prepare and hes still a young player who can improve a lot.
Beadles routinely lets guys just go through. Swim moves are especially a problem for him. When he does get upfield (rarely) on running plays, he rarely makes and holds a second block at the next level. And again, if you're going to make me provide specific examples, you can't offer none. For every example you offer, I will respond in kind. But I'm not going to waste my time proving you wrong when I know you'll just dismiss it out of hand anyway.
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I don't have time to go back through each game and list specific examples. If you do it first to refute my point, I'll consider it. The fact is that Beadles generally doesn't give very good effort, where Kuper consistently does. And Kuper rarely just lets guys go by free where Beadles has done that all season.
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