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Old 10-10-2011, 10:12 AM   #1
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One of our big problem offensively is that our WR can't get open. It's like they run to the DB's as long lost friends. I don't see this as a QB issue.

Either they need to scheme something better or get better talent, but these guys couldn't lose a set of care keys. Of course when they do get open the QB Kyle Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I don't see this getting better with Tebow anytime soon.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:17 AM   #2
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I think a part of it is that they have never really had to do a scramble drill in a game. The ball is either coming to one of them or Orton gets sacked. They'll need to get used to plays lasting longer than five seconds.
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One of our big problem offensively is that our WR can't get open. It's like they run to the DB's as long lost friends. I don't see this as a QB issue.

Either they need to scheme something better or get better talent, but these guys couldn't lose a set of care keys. Of course when they do get open the QB Kyle Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I don't see this getting better with Tebow anytime soon.
I agree the WRs need to do a better job of getting separation. The upside of Tebow is 1) he can extend plays and 2) he can get rushing yards. Both will help loosen up the defense a bit.

So, do you think Tebow should start in Miami? Or still go with Orton? I know you probably cringed when Tebow came into the game, expecting him to cry or start wandering around trying to find the huddle.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:19 AM   #4
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Can't wait to see Demaryius and Eddie back in there.

We'll have the best corps in the AFCW, imo.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:31 AM   #5
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I agree the WRs need to do a better job of getting separation. The upside of Tebow is 1) he can extend plays and 2) he can get rushing yards. Both will help loosen up the defense a bit.

So, do you think Tebow should start in Miami? Or still go with Orton? I know you probably cringed when Tebow came into the game, expecting him to cry or start wandering around trying to find the huddle.
I think Tebow starts from her on out. He's got to get his throwing motion shorter. The best in the game get the ball out in .27 to .30 seconds. Tebow takes almost a full second.

None of that is going to get the guys open though.

As much as I think Orton is a jinx, I can hardly balem him for holding on to the ball. Those WR's can't get open.
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Easy to see why Lloyd and Decker weren't getting separation~

40 times:
Brandon Lloyd..........4.6 s
Eric Decker..............4.5 s
Demaryius Thomas...4.4 s
Eddie Royal.............4.39 s

Hope Thomas can come back to be that vertical threat we so desperately need.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:36 AM   #7
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Well, our WR's aren't very good, and they are all undersized in today's league. Demaryius is the only big one and he has only shown glimpses of talent. Tebow is not the most accurate passer and it doesn't help that he is throwing to WR's that are undersized and easily covered. We will have to use some innovation to get them open downfield, some play action bootlegs come to mind now that we aren't saddled by pocket sloth anymore.
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Well, our WR's aren't very good, and they are all undersized in today's league. Demaryius is the only big one and he has only shown glimpses of talent. Tebow is not the most accurate passer and it doesn't help that he is throwing to WR's that are undersized and easily covered. We will have to use some innovation to get them open downfield, some play action bootlegs come to mind now that we aren't saddled by pocket sloth anymore.
More post corners, jerk routes, corner comebacks, etc.. That would help.
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Well, our WR's aren't very good, and they are all undersized in today's league. Demaryius is the only big one and he has only shown glimpses of talent. Tebow is not the most accurate passer and it doesn't help that he is throwing to WR's that are undersized and easily covered. We will have to use some innovation to get them open downfield, some play action bootlegs come to mind now that we aren't saddled by pocket sloth anymore.
Decker is listed at 6'3", 218 lbs.
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One of our big problem offensively is that our WR can't get open. It's like they run to the DB's as long lost friends. I don't see this as a QB issue.

Either they need to scheme something better or get better talent, but these guys couldn't lose a set of care keys. Of course when they do get open the QB Kyle Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I don't see this getting better with Tebow anytime soon.
I love it... 'long lost friends'... I think you are right, better talent. Brandon Lloyd is having to live up to his reputation of making the hard catches. Eddie Royal can't get on the field, same goes for TE Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas can't stay healthy.
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I don't blame the receivers here. I think this is all part of the maturation process for Tebow. He is hesitating to throw the ball simply because he is waiting for the receiver to be wide-open (as opposed to partially open). Hopefully EFX let him play the rest of the year so he can focus on throwing at receivers that are partially covered, or even better, learning to throw routes open. He does not have the accuracy for tight windows, yet. But that should easily be his prime focus moving forward.

Also, the routes we run all seem the same. It's almost as if we are not utilizing the whole tree. I can't imagine an NFL offense that doesn't have all the routes in it, but the ones we feature seem to be of the comeback route variety. Maybe this matched Orton's and our WR corps strengths, but I see Tim with more of a downfield arm.
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I agree the WRs need to do a better job of getting separation. The upside of Tebow is 1) he can extend plays and 2) he can get rushing yards. Both will help loosen up the defense a bit.

So, do you think Tebow should start in Miami? Or still go with Orton? I know you probably cringed when Tebow came into the game, expecting him to cry or start wandering around trying to find the huddle.
I agree.with tebow.being able to loosen up the defense. With orton they knew he wasn't going to run but with.tebow there is always a.chance.
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One of our big problem offensively is that our WR can't get open. It's like they run to the DB's as long lost friends. I don't see this as a QB issue.

Either they need to scheme something better or get better talent, but these guys couldn't lose a set of care keys. Of course when they do get open the QB Kyle Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I don't see this getting better with Tebow anytime soon.
It is about timing, no WR is going to be open on any non-deep route for more than a second. If your QB does not throw the ball so it gets there during that open window your WR is going to be covered. Orton didn't have the arm and anticipation to throw those passes consistently and Tebow doesn't have the experience to do so.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:43 AM   #14
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Easy to see why Lloyd and Decker weren't getting separation~

40 times:
Brandon Lloyd..........4.6 s
Eric Decker..............4.5 s
Demaryius Thomas...4.4 s
Eddie Royal.............4.39 s

Hope Thomas can come back to be that vertical threat we so desperately need.

The play calling is bad. New England TE and WR are not any faster than ours, yet they find a way to make it work.
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:07 PM   #15
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Easy to see why Lloyd and Decker weren't getting separation~

40 times:
Brandon Lloyd..........4.6 s
Eric Decker..............4.5 s
Demaryius Thomas...4.4 s
Eddie Royal.............4.39 s

Hope Thomas can come back to be that vertical threat we so desperately need.
4.6s? Didn't know that. He looks faster then that and he is also the deep threat.
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I dont blame the receivers honestly.

For one thing the line is young and still struggles at times. The other is we have a starting QB who is average and does not have a quick release like some of the premier QB's in the NFL. If we had Manning, Brady, or Rodgers right now we would not be 1-4. So having a elite QB means a lot in the NFL. Now, we have a young QB with only 4 starts who has some mechanics to work on as far as his own play is concerned. But if anyone is truly expecting Tebow to light it up passing wise isnt being realistic. He is going to go through some growing pains until he gets enough reps with the first stringers, etc. But i dont think our receivers suck at all. Guys like Manning, Brees, and Brady have made a living making average receivers look like HOF'rs.
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One of our big problem offensively is that our WR can't get open. It's like they run to the DB's as long lost friends. I don't see this as a QB issue.

Either they need to scheme something better or get better talent, but these guys couldn't lose a set of care keys. Of course when they do get open the QB Kyle Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I don't see this getting better with Tebow anytime soon.
....and TimBow thinks they are able to catch balls with their feet.
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....and TimBow thinks they are able to catch balls with their feet.
Let's get this out in the open.

Are you retarded?
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What happened to Eddie Royal?

He basically fell off the planet after his rookie season.
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What happened to Eddie Royal?

He basically fell off the planet after his rookie season.
Poor utilization of his abilities and a few injuries. He actually had a decent year last year but nothing earth shattering.
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It's amazing what a pump fake when the QB is a real threat to run will do to get a receiver open.
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He basically fell off the planet after his rookie season.
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One of our big problem offensively is that our WR can't get open. It's like they run to the DB's as long lost friends. I don't see this as a QB issue.

Either they need to scheme something better or get better talent, but these guys couldn't lose a set of care keys. Of course when they do get open the QB Kyle Orton couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I don't see this getting better with Tebow anytime soon.
Our receivers get open fine. But you need a QB that can find the open man. Orton couldn't do that, and while Tebow actually did find them he struggled getting the ball where it needed to be, at least early on. Tebow is a young guy that hasn't gotten any reps with the 1st string though. He'll improve.
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What happened to Eddie Royal?

He basically fell off the planet after his rookie season.
I remember like it was yesterday back in the 2008 draft, the Broncos had a choice to make.. They were looking for a Kick Returner... either draft Eddie Royal from Virginia Tech or DeShawn Jackson out of California.

There was talk that DeShawn had 'Character or Attitude' issues, so the Broncos took the safer pick .. the rest is history.
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Are we really now calling Brandon Lloyd bad? He might not be the fastest guy or the biggest guy, but he's proven to be a reliable deep threat and, as far as jump balls go, he's one of the best at going up and grabbing em.
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