Why is Luck a lock? - The Orange Mane

Mile High Mojoe · 10-06-2011, 11:45 PM

Okay... I admit not having seen a single game Luck has started at Stanford. I've seen highlights of some of his games but not enough to have an opinion on him or how good of an NFL QB he could be. I saw the Suck for Luck thread but it doesn't get into any specifics about his skills. Can I get a sincere evaluation without the smartass remarks? I don't follow the college game as close as many of you do so educate me.

I could never agree to throwing games to get a draft pick but I would like to know more about Luck.

houghtam · 10-07-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mojoe

Okay... I admit not having seen a single game Luck has started at Stanford. I've seen highlights of some of his games but not enough to have an opinion on him or how good of an NFL QB he could be. I saw the Suck for Luck thread but it doesn't get into any specifics about his skills. Can I get a sincere evaluation without the smartass remarks? I don't follow the college game as close as many of you do so educate me.

I could never agree to throwing games to get a draft pick but I would like to know more about Luck.

I don't have much to add in the way of "how good is Luck", but for every "we have to draft this guy, he's a Lock", there have been just as many "wow looking back we should have seen how bad he was gonna be's".

I think the people who are saying 2 #1's 2 #2's and a #4 for ANY unknown quantity have no clue what they're talking about.

hambone13 · 10-07-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by houghtam

I don't have much to add in the way of "how good is Luck", but for every "we have to draft this guy, he's a Lock", there have been just as many "wow looking back we should have seen how bad he was gonna be's".

I think the people who are saying 2 #1's 2 #2's and a #4 for ANY unknown quantity have no clue what they're talking about.

Awesome. Very insightful. You rock.

Crushaholic · 10-07-2011, 12:52 AM

If we wanted a quarterback with our first pick, I truly don't believe we have to get Luck. The Stanford connection between Elway and Luck is likely driving this urge to get Luck. There are other quarterbacks out there. The Heisman trophy could go to Landry Jones, if Oklahoma makes it to the title game...

BroncoSojia · 10-07-2011, 01:07 AM

Bottom line, everyone agrees that we need draft a QB next year right?

Whether it's Luck, Jones, Tannehill, Barkley, or RGIII.

Orton is gone next year and it's obvious the regime isn't sold on Tebow. So who does that leave? Quinn? Weber?

Odds are the QB starting for us next year isn't on our roster right now.

Atwater His Ass · 10-07-2011, 01:39 AM

There is no sure thing in the draft, everyone knows that. But that doesn't diminish the cost of the picks however. Who you draft and cost of the right to do so are mutually exclusive.

myMind · 10-07-2011, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoSojia

and it's obvious the regime isn't sold on Tebow.

Yeah, its clearly obvious.
Im tired of all the pressers where Fox and Elway talk about how they can't wait to get rid of Tebow, cause they just aren't sold on him.

elsid13 · 10-07-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mojoe

Okay... I admit not having seen a single game Luck has started at Stanford. I've seen highlights of some of his games but not enough to have an opinion on him or how good of an NFL QB he could be. I saw the Suck for Luck thread but it doesn't get into any specifics about his skills. Can I get a sincere evaluation without the smartass remarks? I don't follow the college game as close as many of you do so educate me.

I could never agree to throwing games to get a draft pick but I would like to know more about Luck.

There is a number of reasons that Luck is consider the #1 QB coming out and most likely the #1 pick.

Positives:
Extremely smart both on and off the field.
film junkie
NFL size
very good feet in the pocket (feels pressure and able to move away from it with taking his eyes away from his passing lanes)
able to make all NFL throws
Plays in NFL style offense and takes 3,5,7 step drops of regular basis
Very accurate with ball (especial on the intermediate and short routes)
Can sell the play action
better runner out side then people expect, not Mike Vick but he able to move around the edge
Good leader and kinda humble (asked to be red shirted because he knew he wasn't ready and thought he would benefit from watching the SR QBs play that season)

Negatives:
Doesn't always step into the deep ball and ball will sail on him

He compares to Matt Ryan, and Manning type of QB.

Blart · 10-07-2011, 01:59 AM

He's not as athletic as Elway (only comparing because they're stanford QB's), but he's throwing TD passes like crazy. He might even break Elway's record.

Oh and also he's accurate.

and dreamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcYFjD4PK8E

ESPN has us at #5 on the suck for Luck sweepstakes. Feel free to deam.

SleepingTiger · 10-07-2011, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

There is a number of reasons that Luck is consider the #1 QB coming out and most likely the #1 pick.

Positives:
Extremely smart both on and off the field.
film junkie
NFL size
very good feet in the pocket (feels pressure and able to move away from it with taking his eyes away from his passing lanes)
able to make all NFL throws
Plays in NFL style offense and takes 3,5,7 step drops of regular basis
Very accurate with ball (especial on the intermediate and short routes)
Can sell the play action
better runner out side then people expect, not Mike Vick but he able to move around the edge
Good leader and kinda humble (asked to be red shirted because he knew he wasn't ready and thought he would benefit from watching the SR QBs play that season)

Negatives:
Doesn't always step into the deep ball and ball will sail on him

He compares to Matt Ryan, and Manning type of QB.

Just to show how smart he is, I heard that Luck is already calling his own plays at the line. Just looking his physical and mental intelligence, the guy is the best prospect in years.

Mile High Mojoe · 10-07-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

There is a number of reasons that Luck is consider the #1 QB coming out and most likely the #1 pick.

Positives:
Extremely smart both on and off the field.
film junkie
NFL size
very good feet in the pocket (feels pressure and able to move away from it with taking his eyes away from his passing lanes)
able to make all NFL throws
Plays in NFL style offense and takes 3,5,7 step drops of regular basis
Very accurate with ball (especial on the intermediate and short routes)
Can sell the play action
better runner out side then people expect, not Mike Vick but he able to move around the edge
Good leader and kinda humble (asked to be red shirted because he knew he wasn't ready and thought he would benefit from watching the SR QBs play that season)

Negatives:
Doesn't always step into the deep ball and ball will sail on him

He compares to Matt Ryan, and Manning type of QB.

This is the kind of assessment I was looking for. As I said I know little about him and just have seen highlights which I don’t always think measure how good any player is since it’s only a small slice of a game. I wonder how many Broncos Fans have actually seen several of his games and could say he is as good as advertised.

The Ryan and Manning comparison is a big jump and a flattering one if true. What about his scrambling ability and if he can’t does he fold his tent when under pressure? Is he a warrior, what is demeanor like if he’s behind in the 4 Q, can he lead a team in a come back?

I’m not in favor of us taking any QB in the draft until Tebow gets a chance to prove he can sink or swim but I’m not against drafting a QB if he’s not going to win games for us. If he helps win games even if their ugly that’s far better than what we have now. I remember watching Steve Young in the USFL and with the Buccaneers and see the same sort of unpolished type of player in Tebow. Young was horrible at the start of his career but his biggest intangible was he’s will to win and his warrior passion not to give up on a game. Tebow in college at least proved he has that characteristic; I’d like to see if it translates to wins for the Broncos.

If he doesn’t I wouldn’t have a problem attempting to draft or trade for Luck or Laundry but I don’t think fans should dismiss the idea that Tebow could be that guy if he gets the starting job soon so we can see if he does have it.

Rohirrim · 10-07-2011, 07:12 AM

CU plays them tomorrow. Here's a write up in the DP:

http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_19059978

McDman · 10-07-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoSojia

Bottom line, everyone agrees that we need draft a QB next year right?

Whether it's Luck, Jones, Tannehill, Barkley, or RGIII.

Orton is gone next year and it's obvious the regime isn't sold on Tebow. So who does that leave? Quinn? Weber?

Odds are the QB starting for us next year isn't on our roster right now.

I think with our current coaching staff we can all agree we will not be taking RGIII.

randomtask · 10-07-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mojoe

This is the kind of assessment I was looking for. As I said I know little about him and just have seen highlights which I don’t always think measure how good any player is since it’s only a small slice of a game. I wonder how many Broncos Fans have actually seen several of his games and could say he is as good as advertised.

The Ryan and Manning comparison is a big jump and a flattering one if true. What about his scrambling ability and if he can’t does he fold his tent when under pressure? Is he a warrior, what is demeanor like if he’s behind in the 4 Q, can he lead a team in a come back?

I’m not in favor of us taking any QB in the draft until Tebow gets a chance to prove he can sink or swim but I’m not against drafting a QB if he’s not going to win games for us. If he helps win games even if their ugly that’s far better than what we have now. I remember watching Steve Young in the USFL and with the Buccaneers and see the same sort of unpolished type of player in Tebow. Young was horrible at the start of his career but his biggest intangible was he’s will to win and his warrior passion not to give up on a game. Tebow in college at least proved he has that characteristic; I’d like to see if it translates to wins for the Broncos.

If he doesn’t I wouldn’t have a problem attempting to draft or trade for Luck or Laundry but I don’t think fans should dismiss the idea that Tebow could be that guy if he gets the starting job soon so we can see if he does have it.

Well, he had close to 500 rushing yards last year, including a couple 50-yarders, so he's got plenty of scrambling ability.

Additionally, he's led a few game-winning drives against USC and Arizona State.

The fact that he's produced since he got the starting job helps as well.

Highlight video.

gyldenlove · 10-07-2011, 07:23 AM

Sadly we can not draft Luck, he has a neckbeard which makes him entirely unsuitable to be an NFL QB. I believe I am right in saying that no QB with a neckbeard has ever been succesful in the NFL or managed to not suck balls.

Of all the QBs I am really big on Landry Jones.

Mile High Mojoe · 10-07-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

CU plays them tomorrow. Here's a write up in the DP:

http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_19059978

My take from this is maybe his single greatest attribute is his intelligence. That’s great but what does he do if he has a porous OL, gets sacked 5 times in a game and is down 10 or 14 points going into the 4th Q. Can he translate it to the NFL?

Intelligence is one thing, toughness, persistence and not quitting on a bad game or a bad team is another story and he’ll surely inherit that whether we get him or not.

Mile High Mojoe · 10-07-2011, 07:35 AM

[QUOTE=randomtask;3320802]Well, he had close to 500 rushing yards last year, including a couple 50-yarders, so he's got plenty of scrambling ability.

Additionally, he's led a few game-winning drives against USC and Arizona State.

The fact that he's produced since he got the starting job helps as well.

I've seen these some of this highlights. Thanks. I just wish it were enough to convince me that'll play like this at NFL level where the game is much faster and the hits much harder.

vonqkilla · 10-07-2011, 07:37 AM

He is 5 stars in every category. Talking luck on vicandgary now. Cecil lammey said trade whatever ut takes for him.

rbackfactory80 · 10-07-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vonqkilla

He is 5 stars in every category. Talking luck on vicandgary now. Cecil lammey said trade whatever ut takes for him.

Wait a second, I said that too. Unfortunately I was flamed by fans who take their "Building an NFL Franchise for dummies" textbook too seriously.

Let me be clear- I LOVE TEBOW! I want him to play.

Since our FO doesn't feel the same way, Luck is a gamble with pretty nice odds at being successful at the pro level.

Dedhed · 10-07-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoSojia

Bottom line, everyone agrees that we need draft a QB next year right?

Whether it's Luck, Jones, Tannehill, Barkley, or RGIII.

Orton is gone next year and it's obvious the regime isn't sold on Tebow. So who does that leave? Quinn? Weber?

Odds are the QB starting for us next year isn't on our roster right now.

I don't think everyone agrees with that at all. It's a resounding yes if Tebow is a bust, and a resounding no if Tebow can ball like he did in college.

Hey, I've got an idea, just came to me. Let's play Tebow and find out for sure what we have in him.

OrangeCrush2724 · 10-07-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepingTiger

Just to show how smart he is, I heard that Luck is already calling his own plays at the line. Just looking his physical and mental intelligence, the guy is the best prospect in years.

Giving a college kid the freedom to call all his plays shows a great deal of confidence by the new Coach. Very Peyton-esque.

SleepingTiger · 10-07-2011, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

He compares to Matt Ryan, and Manning type of QB.

I don't get the idea of comparing Luck to Ryan. Just from what I hear on the radio and reading articles, they compare Luck to Elway not because they both came out of Stanford, but because they have the same physical attributes. We all know Elway was a freak athlete, his dad said his best sport was basketball, not football, not baseball.

I say start Tebow ASAP, see if he has the potential to take us back to the Superbowl. If he does, draft defense. If Tebow is a bust, mortgage the future on Luck.

Dedhed · 10-07-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Blart

He's not as athletic as Elway (only comparing because they're stanford QB's), but he's throwing TD passes like crazy. He might even break Elway's record.

Oh and also he's accurate.

So you're saying it's "guaranteed" he'll be a stud. Is that like your guarantee about Orton last week?

robbieopperude · 10-07-2011, 08:20 AM

Probably at worst Luck has a career similar to Philip Rivers.

NFLBRONCO · 10-07-2011, 08:34 AM

I want to get Luck outright vs trading the farm for him. For us to do that at most imo we can only afford to win 1 more game. It might be we can't afford any more wins. Also if he flops we only eat his contract vs his contract and the ammo we traded away to get him.

10-07-2011, 01:59 AM	#9
Blart I'm gay for the Broncos! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: All @ same time	He's not as athletic as Elway (only comparing because they're stanford QB's), but he's throwing TD passes like crazy. He might even break Elway's record. Oh and also he's accurate. and dreamy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcYFjD4PK8E ESPN has us at #5 on the suck for Luck sweepstakes. Feel free to deam. Last edited by Blart; 10-07-2011 at 02:01 AM..

10-07-2011, 08:34 AM	#25
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,391	I want to get Luck outright vs trading the farm for him. For us to do that at most imo we can only afford to win 1 more game. It might be we can't afford any more wins. Also if he flops we only eat his contract vs his contract and the ammo we traded away to get him. Last edited by NFLBRONCO; 10-07-2011 at 08:36 AM..

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10-06-2011, 11:45 PM	#1
Mile High Mojoe The Original Maniac Load the Wagon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Astoria, OR Posts: 1,656 Adopt-a-Bronco: Randy Gradishar	Why is Luck a lock? Okay... I admit not having seen a single game Luck has started at Stanford. I've seen highlights of some of his games but not enough to have an opinion on him or how good of an NFL QB he could be. I saw the Suck for Luck thread but it doesn't get into any specifics about his skills. Can I get a sincere evaluation without the smartass remarks? I don't follow the college game as close as many of you do so educate me. I could never agree to throwing games to get a draft pick but I would like to know more about Luck.

10-07-2011, 12:52 AM	#4
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,044	If we wanted a quarterback with our first pick, I truly don't believe we have to get Luck. The Stanford connection between Elway and Luck is likely driving this urge to get Luck. There are other quarterbacks out there. The Heisman trophy could go to Landry Jones, if Oklahoma makes it to the title game...

10-07-2011, 01:07 AM	#5
BroncoSojia Go Broncos 4 more years Champ Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 449 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darcel McBath	Bottom line, everyone agrees that we need draft a QB next year right? Whether it's Luck, Jones, Tannehill, Barkley, or RGIII. Orton is gone next year and it's obvious the regime isn't sold on Tebow. So who does that leave? Quinn? Weber? Odds are the QB starting for us next year isn't on our roster right now.

10-07-2011, 01:39 AM	#6
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,362 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	There is no sure thing in the draft, everyone knows that. But that doesn't diminish the cost of the picks however. Who you draft and cost of the right to do so are mutually exclusive.

10-07-2011, 07:12 AM	#12
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,843	CU plays them tomorrow. Here's a write up in the DP: http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_19059978

10-07-2011, 07:23 AM	#15
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,034 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Sadly we can not draft Luck, he has a neckbeard which makes him entirely unsuitable to be an NFL QB. I believe I am right in saying that no QB with a neckbeard has ever been succesful in the NFL or managed to not suck balls. Of all the QBs I am really big on Landry Jones.

10-07-2011, 07:35 AM	#17
Mile High Mojoe The Original Maniac Load the Wagon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Astoria, OR Posts: 1,656 Adopt-a-Bronco: Randy Gradishar	[QUOTE=randomtask;3320802]Well, he had close to 500 rushing yards last year, including a couple 50-yarders, so he's got plenty of scrambling ability. Additionally, he's led a few game-winning drives against USC and Arizona State. The fact that he's produced since he got the starting job helps as well. I've seen these some of this highlights. Thanks. I just wish it were enough to convince me that'll play like this at NFL level where the game is much faster and the hits much harder.

10-07-2011, 07:37 AM	#18
vonqkilla Ring of Famer Abra Ca Fn Dabra!!! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: denver Posts: 1,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	He is 5 stars in every category. Talking luck on vicandgary now. Cecil lammey said trade whatever ut takes for him.

10-07-2011, 08:20 AM	#24
robbieopperude Perennial Pro-bowler Shannon to Canton! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 766 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Probably at worst Luck has a career similar to Philip Rivers.