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Old 10-19-2011, 12:30 PM   #476
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More Wonderland thinking. Goldman Sachs was sitting in Bush's office telling him what to do. They're sitting in Obama's office, telling him what to do. And they'll be sitting in the next president's office, whoever that might be, telling him what to do. They live in the halls of Congress where they hand out checks (daily) to the legislature. You think they get nothing in return for all that money? You know how Boehner made his bones and rose to Speaker? He started out as a bag man for Wall Street and corporations. He doled out the checks. Scalia, Alito, Roberts, et al just enshrined corporate personhood in our Constitution. It didn't exist there before. They had no legitimate precedence for doing so. The Founders would have been horrified by such a finding. They just made it up and created new law. Why did they do that?

Look around the world right now. Multi-nationals, bankers and financial companies and their control of the IMF and WTO are taking down countries. The power of nations is being subsumed by conglomerates. We are being dragged into the one world economy whether we like it or not. The new future is being built, and nobody gets to vote on it.
Ok so take it a step further Ro. I'd like your take on who "they" are. What single group of people has the power,money, and control to pull off the one world order. What commonality could possible unite such goal. Could it be a country of origin? Perhaps a common religion?
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If you haven't seen this movie yet you owe it to yourself to do so.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/
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There are still hundreds and hundreds of thousands of small businesses in America.

Jim's auto repair/gas station, Mama's pizza, San Jose Farmers market, Toledo Credit union, etc etc. If the demonstrators really wanted to protest wall street they would have been doing it for decades. If there was a real protest against the corporations 100,000,000 plus liberals could stop shopping at them.

Instead they eat at McDonalds, they bank with Wells Fargo, they get their guitar picks from Walmart, and fix their cars at BrakeMasters. Whydo they shop their? It's cheaper and faster.

Your excuse is much like a smokers. It's not my fault I smoke! It's Camels!

Obama sold the left he would change things. He's only made things worse. There is your change. The protest should be @ the White House.
What makes you think liberals don't support those small businesses?

Maybe you need to apply some Windex to your crystal ball.

Meanwhile, Wall Street's making billions for not lending to smaller businesses that might compete with some of those mega-corporations.

That's the status quo you are defending.
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What makes you think liberals don't support those small businesses?

Maybe you need to apply some Windex to your crystal ball.

Meanwhile, Wall Street's making billions for not lending to smaller businesses that might compete with some of those mega-corporations.

That's the status quo you are defending.

You almost figured something out!


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think! who keeps white washing those facts?
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Old 10-19-2011, 07:26 PM   #481
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You almost figured something out!
Figured that out decades ago.

Just waiting for you and your ilk to catch up now.
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Again you completely missed the point.
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If you haven't seen this movie yet you owe it to yourself to do so.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/
Liberals...the only people in the world who are convinced of anything by movies.
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The Illuminati is the oldest term commonly used to refer to the 13 bloodline families (and their offshoots) that make up a major portion of this controlling elite. Most members of the Illuminati are also members in the highest ranks of numerous secretive and occult societies which in many cases extend straight back into the ancient world.
13 families. So if they are of the same blood than surely they are of the same culture/country and religion. Do tell baja. You do have all the answers.........

Perhaps this Occupy Wallstreet group should be protesting this group instead.

If the world is suppose to collapse then why hold back now? Put it out there. Let the revolution begin. Time to call a spade a spade. Who is it baja? Who are they baja? Your article doesn't spell it out.

You say you are worried for us Americans on the mainland. Then save us baja! Save us! Lead us! Lead the revolution!

We've all been debating for 10+ years on this forum. For what? To blame Bush? To blame Obama? Or is it.......................

If anyone else cares to identify this group specifically feel free.

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Again you completely missed the point.
Can't miss something that doesn't exist.
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13 families. So if they are of the same blood than surely they are of the same culture/country and religion. Do tell baja. You do have all the answers.........

Perhaps this Occupy Wallstreet group should be protesting this group instead.

If the world is suppose to collapse then why hold back now? Put it out there. Let the revolution begin. Time to call a spade a spade. Who is it baja? Who are they baja? Your article doesn't spell it out.

You say you are worried for us Americans on the mainland. Then save us baja! Save us! Lead us! Lead the revolution!

We've all been debating for 10+ years on this forum. For what? To blame Bush? To blame Obama? Or is it.......................

If anyone else cares to identify this group specifically feel free.
Apparently you can't read. That does explain a lot. Sorry I somehow over estimated you.
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Can't miss something that doesn't exist.

So if you miss it and or dont understand it ( then is doesn't exist)
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So if you miss it and or dont understand it ( then is doesn't exist)
I suppose it exists in your imagination - just like the "evidence" that trickle-down economics is a viable model.
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Liberals...the only people in the world who are convinced of anything by movies.
One of the best things about this movie is that it's dumbed down enough so that people like you might actually understand it and learn something! But go ahead and judge the book by it's cover, that's pretty much SOP for you and a large reason why you're so ignorant.
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One of the best things about this movie is that it's dumbed down enough so that people like you might actually understand it and learn something!
Gotta love your optimism here, but you're probably giving him WAY too much credit.
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Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world

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The top 50 of the 147 superconnected companies

1. Barclays plc
2. Capital Group Companies Inc
3. FMR Corporation
4. AXA
5. State Street Corporation
6. JP Morgan Chase & Co
7. Legal & General Group plc
8. Vanguard Group Inc
9. UBS AG
10. Merrill Lynch & Co Inc
11. Wellington Management Co LLP
12. Deutsche Bank AG
13. Franklin Resources Inc
14. Credit Suisse Group
15. Walton Enterprises LLC
16. Bank of New York Mellon Corp
17. Natixis
18. Goldman Sachs Group Inc
19. T Rowe Price Group Inc
20. Legg Mason Inc
21. Morgan Stanley
22. Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group Inc
23. Northern Trust Corporation
24. Société Générale
25. Bank of America Corporation
26. Lloyds TSB Group plc
27. Invesco plc
28. Allianz SE 29. TIAA
30. Old Mutual Public Limited Company
31. Aviva plc
32. Schroders plc
33. Dodge & Cox
34. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc*
35. Sun Life Financial Inc
36. Standard Life plc
37. CNCE
38. Nomura Holdings Inc
39. The Depository Trust Company
40. Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance
41. ING Groep NV
42. Brandes Investment Partners LP
43. Unicredito Italiano SPA
44. Deposit Insurance Corporation of Japan
45. Vereniging Aegon
46. BNP Paribas
47. Affiliated Managers Group Inc
48. Resona Holdings Inc
49. Capital Group International Inc
50. China Petrochemical Group Company

* Lehman still existed in the 2007 dataset used
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http://www.realitysandwich.com/occup...mergency_brake

Occupy the Future: A New Generation Reaches for the Emergency Brake

This article first apeared on rabble.ca.



When students take to the streets of Paris or London today, it is no longer to bring about a better world, but to defend what they can of the world their parents took for granted. -- Dougald Hine, 'Remember the Future?', Dark Mountain II
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Occupy Wall Street Planning A National Convention, Releases Potential Demands »

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The posted “demands” are only a working list of “suggestions,” however. Number one and two are a ban on private contributions to politicians seeking or holding federal office and instead public financing for campaigns, and a constitutional amendment to reverse the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court.

The list then goes on to suggest single-payer national health care, immediate passage of the DREAM Act, a jobs plan, a deficit reduction plan and recalling military personnel at all non-essential bases.

The movement would also reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act, increase regulation and increase taxes by way of eliminating corporate tax loopholes.

The idea of coming up with a list of demands has been controversial among protesters.

David Sauvage, who directs videos for the Occupy Wall Street protests and supports the movement, said he viewed demands as being too similar to talking points.

But Daniel Lerner, a physicist and member of the Demands Working Group, argued to Mother Jones that their demands would have wide appeal.

In their list, however, they close with one last warning: if Congress, the President and the Supreme Court do not act on the settled grievances the movement eventually comes up with, its members are prepared to form a third, independent political party to run in every Congressional seat in 2014 and 2016.
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Generation X Is Sick of Your Bull****

You're going to read this, and you're going to say, how is this about tech? I'm gonna head you off at that pass: This is a message from Internet, the generation that became the voice that set the tone for everything you love about the Net. And it's pissed. -Editor

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Earlier generations have weathered recessions, of course; this stall we're in has the look of something nastier. Social Security and Medicare are going to be diminished, at best. Hours worked are up even as hiring staggers along: Blood from a stone looks to be the normal order of things "going forward," to borrow the business-speak. Economists are warning that even when the economy recuperates, full employment will be lower and growth will be slower-a sad little rhyme that adds up to something decidedly ­unpoetic. A majority of Americans say, for the first time ever, that this generation will not be better off than its parents. —New York Magazine
Generation X is sick of your bull****.

The first generation to do worse than its parents? Please. Been there. Generation X was told that so many times that it can't even read those words without hearing Winona Ryder's voice in its heads. Or maybe it's Ethan Hawke's. Possibly Bridget Fonda's. Generation X is getting older, and can't remember those movies so well anymore. In retrospect, maybe they weren't very good to begin with.

But Generation X is tired of your sense of entitlement. Generation X also graduated during a recession. It had even ****tier jobs, and actually had to pay for its own music. (At least, when music mattered most to it.) Generation X is used to being ****ed over. It lost its meager savings in the dot-com bust. Then came George Bush, and 9/11, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Generation X bore the brunt of all that. And then came the housing crisis.

Generation X wasn't surprised. Generation X kind of expected it.

Generation X is a journeyman. It didn't invent hip hop, or punk rock, or even electronica (it's pretty sure those dudes in Kraftwerk are boomers) but it perfected all of them, and made them its own. It didn't invent the Web, but it largely built the damn thing. Generation X gave you Google and Twitter and blogging; Run DMC and Radiohead and Nirvana and Notorious B.I.G. Not that it gets any credit.

But that's okay. Generation X is used to being ignored, stuffed between two much larger, much more vocal, demographics. But whatever! Generation X is self-sufficient. It was a latchkey child. Its parents were too busy fulfilling their own personal ambitions to notice any of its trophies-which were admittedly few and far between because they were only awarded for victories, not participation.

In fairness, Generation X could use a better spokesperson. Barack Obama is just a little too senior to count among its own, and it has debts older than Mark Zuckerberg. Generation X hasn't had a real voice since Kurt Cobain blew his brains out, Tupac was murdered, Jeff Mangum went crazy, David Foster Wallace hung himself, Jeff Buckley drowned, River Phoenix overdosed, Elliott Smith stabbed himself (twice) in the heart, Axl got fat.

Generation X is beyond all that bull**** now. It quit smoking and doing coke a long time ago. It has blood pressure issues and is heavier than it would like to be. It might still take some ecstasy, if it knew where to get some. But probably not. Generation X has to be up really early tomorrow morning.

Generation X is tired.

It's a parent now, and there's always so damn much to do. Generation X wishes it had better health insurance and a deeper savings account. It wonders where its 30s went. It wonders if it still has time to catch up.

Right now, Generation X just wants a beer and to be left alone. It just wants to sit here quietly and think for a minute. Can you just do that, okay? It knows that you are so very special and so very numerous, but can you just leave it alone? Just for a little bit? Just long enough to sneak one last ****ing cigarette? No?

Whatever. It's cool.

Generation X is used to disappointments. Generation X knows you didn't even read the whole thing. It doesn't want or expect your reblogs; it picked the wrong platform.

Generation X should have posted this to LiveJournal.

Republished from Mat Honan's tumblr.
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House Democrats Ask For Support of Occupy Wall Street »

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Chris Scully, my DGR MA friend’s brother, said it best:

Dear Democrats in Congress,

You wish this was about left vs. right. You wish you could point across the aisle and say “See, the people are with us, not you!” But before you point and lie, please kindly turn that finger on yourselves, and then stick it up your asses. You are half of a bought congress. You are the other side of a counterfeit coin. You are half of the problem. You have pretended to speak for the voices of people who have a shred of goodwill for the world for too long. You have lost your privilege to be that voice. You are completely incapable of bringing about the drastic and profound changes we need in this country. You have failed. And don’t you dare try to associate your actions and trajectory with the intentions of a revolutionary society that is rejecting you. Your endorsement of a movement trying to oust you is pathetic at best. Please resign and play sudoku and solitaire on your own time. In short - **** off.
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