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Old 09-25-2011, 03:33 AM   #1
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Anyone else have this at NFL.com? This is really cool. If you have it, we should talk about it the week after each game. Heck, anyone with DVR should join in, really.

When I went back through this week, the general feel for the team that I got was as follows. Here are a couple of observations.



1) The offensive line is out of synch.

A good offensive line has a rhythm to it in the way it works together from the snap to the whistle. The Broncos OL has no rhythm. Three guys specifically: Franklin, Walton, and Beadles. They are still unsure in their assignments on occasion, sometimes they make the wrong choices, and in their confusion sometimes they dont do their job. This is something that I think is directly attributable to their inexperience and the lack of a conventional offseason to prepare. It even bled over to the fullbacks and running backs who also looked confused and out of synch in picking up their blocking assignments.

I was, however, happy to see that Walton and Beadles both seem to be improving. Each of them is stil good for a couple of let downs a game. Their play is evening out though. Walton is no longer getting pushed around and he's doing a lot better in the passing game. Beadles actually opened a couple of holes in the run game, and the Broncos did get a first down on third and short using a FB dive over Walton, who got some push.

Franklin is playing like a rookie. He struggles in pass blocking on occasion.

Clady and Kuper were both consistently good. Clady is at times dominant in both phases of the game. On one play, he sealed the edge on a run off tackle by mastering the leverage on his man and literally throwing him downward at the feet of other pursuing defenders...taking 3 or 4 out of the play. I think that McGahee got 8 or 9 yards on that run.

There is reason to be optimistic about the OL though, as it is entirely possible that these younger guys become more sure of what they need to do, and in how effectively they execute their assignments.




2) The Broncos' Talent Level is Relatively Low

There were only two elite players in this game for Denver...guys that consistently handle their assignments in a way that leaves a tangible effect on the game. I would say that those are Von Miller and Clady.

Then I would put some talent on another tier. Here I would have Kuper and Decker. Decker is one of the best athletes on the team...just like Ed McCaffery was. These guys had more holes in their performance than the guys above.

Below that tier I would put guys who were generally consistent in handling their assignments and made a standout play or two. Here I would put Ayers, Fells, Larsen, McGahee, and Colquitt.

Below that tier I would put guys who were a mixed bag with more good plays than bad. Here I would put Vickerson, Bunkley, Mays, Dawkins, Walton, Goodman, and Orton.

The next tier would be 'flat', where I'd put Moore, Franklin, Willis, Unrein, and Beadles.

These guys didnt have good games: Vaughn, Woodyard, Wilhite, Hunter, and McBean.

I think that the Broncos need more guys in the top three tiers to truly become a contender. When Bailey, Lloyd, Doom, and DJ come back, all of those guys will be in those tiers. Maybe Warren too if he ever plays. But the Broncos really need a running back and/or a QB in those tiers. They need DL guys in those tiers, and they need another secondary player in those tiers.



3) DL Is Still A Need, and Doom Alone Isnt Enough to Fix the Problem

The Broncos' only dominant front 7 player is a rookie linebacker...who still isnt sure of what hes doing on every play. The Broncos need 2-3 more high level defensive linemen to cause the opposing offense enough problems to have to adjust to account for them.


4) Andy Dalton Is Good

He's already a smarter player than Orton. He makes his reads extremely fast, gets the ball out in about 3 seconds, and makes really accurate throws. Even that 4th and 19 desperation play at the end of the game was a catchable ball that hit Green right in the hands. This kid could be the next Dan Marino.
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Old 09-25-2011, 04:15 AM   #2
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Anyone else have this at NFL.com? This is really cool. If you have it, we should talk about it the week after each game. Heck, anyone with DVR should join in, really.

When I went back through this week, the general feel for the team that I got was as follows. Here are a couple of observations.



1) The offensive line is out of synch.

A good offensive line has a rhythm to it in the way it works together from the snap to the whistle. The Broncos OL has no rhythm. Three guys specifically: Franklin, Walton, and Beadles. They are still unsure in their assignments on occasion, sometimes they make the wrong choices, and in their confusion sometimes they dont do their job. This is something that I think is directly attributable to their inexperience and the lack of a conventional offseason to prepare. It even bled over to the fullbacks and running backs who also looked confused and out of synch in picking up their blocking assignments.

I was, however, happy to see that Walton and Beadles both seem to be improving. Each of them is stil good for a couple of let downs a game. Their play is evening out though. Walton is no longer getting pushed around and he's doing a lot better in the passing game. Beadles actually opened a couple of holes in the run game, and the Broncos did get a first down on third and short using a FB dive over Walton, who got some push.

Franklin is playing like a rookie. He struggles in pass blocking on occasion.

Clady and Kuper were both consistently good. Clady is at times dominant in both phases of the game. On one play, he sealed the edge on a run off tackle by mastering the leverage on his man and literally throwing him downward at the feet of other pursuing defenders...taking 3 or 4 out of the play. I think that McGahee got 8 or 9 yards on that run.

There is reason to be optimistic about the OL though, as it is entirely possible that these younger guys become more sure of what they need to do, and in how effectively they execute their assignments.




2) The Broncos' Talent Level is Relatively Low

There were only two elite players in this game for Denver...guys that consistently handle their assignments in a way that leaves a tangible effect on the game. I would say that those are Von Miller and Clady.

Then I would put some talent on another tier. Here I would have Kuper and Decker. Decker is one of the best athletes on the team...just like Ed McCaffery was. These guys had more holes in their performance than the guys above.

Below that tier I would put guys who were generally consistent in handling their assignments and made a standout play or two. Here I would put Ayers, Fells, Larsen, McGahee, and Colquitt.

Below that tier I would put guys who were a mixed bag with more good plays than bad. Here I would put Vickerson, Bunkley, Mays, Dawkins, Walton, Goodman, and Orton.

The next tier would be 'flat', where I'd put Moore, Franklin, Willis, Unrein, and Beadles.

These guys didnt have good games: Vaughn, Woodyard, Wilhite, Hunter, and McBean.

I think that the Broncos need more guys in the top three tiers to truly become a contender. When Bailey, Lloyd, Doom, and DJ come back, all of those guys will be in those tiers. Maybe Warren too if he ever plays. But the Broncos really need a running back and/or a QB in those tiers. They need DL guys in those tiers, and they need another secondary player in those tiers.



3) DL Is Still A Need, and Doom Alone Isnt Enough to Fix the Problem

The Broncos' only dominant front 7 player is a rookie linebacker...who still isnt sure of what hes doing on every play. The Broncos need 2-3 more high level defensive linemen to cause the opposing offense enough problems to have to adjust to account for them.


4) Andy Dalton Is Good

He's already a smarter player than Orton. He makes his reads extremely fast, gets the ball out in about 3 seconds, and makes really accurate throws. Even that 4th and 19 desperation play at the end of the game was a catchable ball that hit Green right in the hands. This kid could be the next Dan Marino.
Interesting analysis, and I think it's right on in many respects.

I do think any team needs three or four elite players to be consistent contenders, and the role players at the lower performance levels must nearly ideally fit the scheme for things to run smoothly..as in contend year after year.

Cincinnati is no measure for any NFL team. I agree Dalton seems to have the 'it' factor. It will be interesting to see if that mess of an organization can actually develop him.

I also agree our D-line remains an open wound. Teams can game plan a heavy run-first scheme and rack up yards all day.

Our roster will probably take another excellent draft to lift us up to .500, and maybe another good to excellent draft to elevate the Broncos into the contender ranks. Whether or not that actually happens is up in the air, of course, but with this front office, there is reason to hope in my opinion.
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That's what I noticed about OL, they seem to be all over the place at times. Then there are times that they give Orton all kinds of time. I've wondered could this be the coaching or because it's new coaching? I don't know much about Magazu except that Carolina had a decent OL.

As far as Dalton, if we had taken a QB in this last draft he's the one I wanted. I watched him last year with TCU and the kid had control of that team. He made some beautiful throws under pressure and as you stated, has a quick release.
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Anyone else have this at NFL.com? This is really cool. If you have it, we should talk about it the week after each game. Heck, anyone with DVR should join in, really.

When I went back through this week, the general feel for the team that I got was as follows. Here are a couple of observations.



1) The offensive line is out of synch.

A good offensive line has a rhythm to it in the way it works together from the snap to the whistle. The Broncos OL has no rhythm. Three guys specifically: Franklin, Walton, and Beadles. They are still unsure in their assignments on occasion, sometimes they make the wrong choices, and in their confusion sometimes they dont do their job. This is something that I think is directly attributable to their inexperience and the lack of a conventional offseason to prepare. It even bled over to the fullbacks and running backs who also looked confused and out of synch in picking up their blocking assignments.

I was, however, happy to see that Walton and Beadles both seem to be improving. Each of them is stil good for a couple of let downs a game. Their play is evening out though. Walton is no longer getting pushed around and he's doing a lot better in the passing game. Beadles actually opened a couple of holes in the run game, and the Broncos did get a first down on third and short using a FB dive over Walton, who got some push.

Franklin is playing like a rookie. He struggles in pass blocking on occasion.

Clady and Kuper were both consistently good. Clady is at times dominant in both phases of the game. On one play, he sealed the edge on a run off tackle by mastering the leverage on his man and literally throwing him downward at the feet of other pursuing defenders...taking 3 or 4 out of the play. I think that McGahee got 8 or 9 yards on that run.

There is reason to be optimistic about the OL though, as it is entirely possible that these younger guys become more sure of what they need to do, and in how effectively they execute their assignments.

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I think the knee is still bothering Clady as he still is getting beat more than his rookie or soph years prior to the injury. I hope this is not long term issue. Franklin in his second year will be light years ahead of Beadles/Walton who I still have reservations about as a quality starting OLineman
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That's what I noticed about OL, they seem to be all over the place at times. Then there are times that they give Orton all kinds of time. I've wondered could this be the coaching or because it's new coaching? I don't know much about Magazu except that Carolina had a decent OL.
Coaching would have to be part of the equation, IMO, but in that regard the team had legitimate mitigating circumstances. There wasn't an offseason program while there was a coaching change. So the young guys who had experience are learning on the job to some degree again, and the new guy has been thrown to the wolves.

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As far as Dalton, if we had taken a QB in this last draft he's the one I wanted. I watched him last year with TCU and the kid had control of that team. He made some beautiful throws under pressure and as you stated, has a quick release.
On the second look, I was really impressed with how quickly he made decisions and got rid of the ball. He had the ball out and to a man within 3 seconds. He literally didn't give pass rushers time to touch him. The only sacks that Denver had were made by Miller and Wilhite...both of whom got there very quickly.
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Way to beat your chest about a team lost the Frisco 49ers....

lol

I guess when your at the bottom of the toliet, you beat your chest about anything.

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Way to beat your chest about a team lost the Frisco 49ers....

I guess when your at the bottom of the toliet, you beat your chest about anything.


What on earth are you talking about?

Oh, and by the way...dogs don't sweat.
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