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Old 09-18-2011, 05:44 PM   #1
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Default Should Willis Mcgahee be the starter when Knowshon returns?

I've been a believer in Knowshon for a while but must admit it was a little ridiculous to see him do very little in Game 1 then come up grabbing his hamstring after he decided to do a Crossfit video showcasing his newfound readiness. Willis to me shows greater toughness but more importantly the ability to make some things happen when there isn't much there.

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Old 09-18-2011, 06:00 PM   #2
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Mcgahee should start. Ball is just as good in the 2nd RB role. Sharing time with Ball at this point. Realistically Knowshown can go away and not be missed
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:10 PM   #3
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unquestionably. its really not even close.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:15 PM   #4
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A 3.6 ypc is good when McGahee produces it. But, when Moreno gets a 3.6 ypc, he's a bust.

Moreno is a better running back than McGahee at this point in their respective careers. Film backs that up. When Moreno is back, he should, and will, be the #1 back.

Give Knowshon the same 28 carries McGahee got today and I'm fairly confident he goes over 101 yards.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:19 PM   #6
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Yes. IF knowshon stays healthy he can be 3rd down back.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:20 PM   #7
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A 3.6 ypc is good when McGahee produces it. But, when Moreno gets a 3.6 ypc, he's a bust.

Moreno is a better running back than McGahee at this point in their respective careers. Film backs that up. When Moreno is back, he should, and will, be the #1 back.

Give Knowshon the same 28 carries McGahee got today and I'm fairly confident he goes over 101 yards.
Thats all fine and good. The issue is that if he ran the kind of plays that McGahee did today, Knowshon would get "hurt" on every other play and likely miss the next game anyway.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:20 PM   #8
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I've been a believer in Knowshon for a while but must admit it was a little ridiculous to see him do very little in Game 1
You mean the game where McGahee had a whopping 3 yards on 4 carries?

Yeah. Not exactly the best litmus test of how good a back can be.

If the staff really views the Moreno/McGahee dynamic as "starter/backup" then they've got issues. This should be a tandem. Mix it up on first downs but short yardage is 75% McGahee and 3rd and longs are 75% Moreno.

Better yet, I just saw Philly run a fake toss to McCoy, handoff to Brown for an up the gut 10 yard gain. Why not try something like that? Detroit lines Jahvid Best up at WR at least one of every 5 plays he's in for, why not do that with Moreno?

After seeing Moreno be one of the few spark plugs against Oakland, though almost entirely by receiving the ball, the last thing we should be talking about is how to take him off the field. The loss of Royal and sending Tebow out to play WR should underscore that point rather succinctly.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:21 PM   #9
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Yes. But stay in bounds, dude. But really, if they can both get about 15-17 carries a game it would be a good thing, and it doesn't matter who starts.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:21 PM   #10
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McGahee has a nose for positive yardage.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:22 PM   #11
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It just seems like there's less nonsense with McGahee when he runs. Neither are great but Im fed up with all that comes with Moreno. So I choose McGahee.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:23 PM   #12
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yes, he's probably in the same tier at moreno but is 50x more durable.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:24 PM   #13
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Been a Moreno supporter, but I'm tired of dealing with his injuries.

That said, of course, you just rotate the two backs until Moreno gets hurt, and then you give the carries to WM.

Another good pick-up by the staff, imo.

(Though, drafting a young back to develop might have been worthwhile.)
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:26 PM   #14
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Thats all fine and good. The issue is that if he ran the kind of plays that McGahee did today, Knowshon would get "hurt" on every other play and likely miss the next game anyway.
How much of an ingrate are you to question a guy's health? Moreno is one of the few guys who keeps working even in our blow outs last year. You really think he's dogging it?

Its entirely possible he's fragile. Its also entirely possible our conditioning team is a ****ing joke seeings how we seem to have a strain/pull/etc. injury that kicks our ass every single year. Sometimes its hamstrings, sometimes its achilles issues, sometimes its groin tears. Yet inextricably the Broncos find a way to lose a solid contingent of players for significant time to the same kinds of conditioning injuries season after season.

Regardless, when on the field he's proven himself to be a weapon. Maybe he can't give you 28 carries in a game but then that is why we signed McGahee in the first place.

We should all be hoping to see a game where McGahee gets 15 carries for 75 yards, Moreno gets 10 for 50, and catches another 5 for 50 more. We lack play makers on offense as it is, the last thing we should do is start ignoring one of the few we have because he might be fragile.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:27 PM   #15
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The fact that people are so thrilled with such a mediocre performance really puzzles me. McGahee isn't better than Moreno. They are both very meh as NFL runners...
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A 3.6 ypc is good when McGahee produces it. But, when Moreno gets a 3.6 ypc, he's a bust.

Moreno is a better running back than McGahee at this point in their respective careers. Film backs that up. When Moreno is back, he should, and will, be the #1 back.

Give Knowshon the same 28 carries McGahee got today and I'm fairly confident he goes over 101 yards.
Moreno-23 games started as a bronco and only 2 100+ rushing yards games
McGahee-1 game started as a bronco and 1 100+ rushing yard game.

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Old 09-18-2011, 06:29 PM   #17
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A 3.6 ypc is good when McGahee produces it. But, when Moreno gets a 3.6 ypc, he's a bust.

Moreno is a better running back than McGahee at this point in their respective careers. Film backs that up. When Moreno is back, he should, and will, be the #1 back.

Give Knowshon the same 28 carries McGahee got today and I'm fairly confident he goes over 101 yards.
i am fairly confident he doesn't punch it in on that goal line series, like Willis did...so what should we talk about now
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:30 PM   #18
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Mcgahee absolutely deserves to get the nod... anyone who can not see the difference between him and moreno isn't paying attention.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:37 PM   #19
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You mean the game where McGahee had a whopping 3 yards on 4 carries?

Yeah. Not exactly the best litmus test of how good a back can be.

If the staff really views the Moreno/McGahee dynamic as "starter/backup" then they've got issues. This should be a tandem. Mix it up on first downs but short yardage is 75% McGahee and 3rd and longs are 75% Moreno.

Better yet, I just saw Philly run a fake toss to McCoy, handoff to Brown for an up the gut 10 yard gain. Why not try something like that? Detroit lines Jahvid Best up at WR at least one of every 5 plays he's in for, why not do that with Moreno?

After seeing Moreno be one of the few spark plugs against Oakland, though almost entirely by receiving the ball, the last thing we should be talking about is how to take him off the field. The loss of Royal and sending Tebow out to play WR should underscore that point rather succinctly.
Fair enough. I like that idea. And yes... in hindsight I am being unfair to Moreno. Where I don't think I'm being unfair is his lack of durability.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:39 PM   #20
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The guy who can pound it for 28 carries should get the majority of plays. Bring Moreno is for screens and off tackle stuff.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:47 PM   #21
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...I just saw Philly run a fake toss to McCoy, handoff to Brown for an up the gut 10 yard gain...
We drafted Moreno over McCoy and picked up McGahee in FA over Brown. Sigh.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:49 PM   #22
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We drafted Moreno over McCoy and picked up McGahee in FA over Brown. Sigh.
The joys of being a Broncos fan anymore...
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36-3 oddly the only thing that bronco fans can agree on is that Moreno sucks...
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36-3 oddly the only thing that bronco fans can agree on is that Moreno sucks...
That 3.6 yard per carry average has all the morons excited it seems.
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Old 09-18-2011, 06:58 PM   #25
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Yes. Start Willis with Moreno as a COP back.
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