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Old 09-17-2011, 04:32 PM   #1
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Default QB controversy is not the biggest issue for Denver...

Now before I start, I am not a big fan of Orton's at all. I'd rather watch an infectious winner like Tebow learn on the job than watch an arrogant veteran like Orton stink the place out.

This forum is full of Tebow/Orton threads, everyone putting down Orton etc and nobody is talking about other issues affecting our Broncos. Issues that in my opinion are more responsible for the situation we've found ourselves the past few years. Surely I am not the only one on here who sees the bigger picture here?

For years our defensive line has been neglected. We seem to rely on ageing veterans who come here for one last pay day and subsequently either get injured or fail to live up to any hype. Ty Warren seems to be another one added to the list, hope I'm wrong though. Whilst I seen some improvement on our defense as a whole on Monday night, we still cant stop the run, we're still prone to a big play. If we cant stop the run, then we'll never get to see the full potential of a pass rush of Von Miller and Dumervil.

The other issue is our offensive line. Its been very poor the last year. Our pass protection is not up to scratch and we cant run the ball at all. Just how long do we give guys like Walton and Beadles? No matter who is at QB, with an offensive like this, we wont get anywhere. John Elway needed it along with TD to finally get his Super Bowl.


In the trenches, both sides of the ball is the bigger issues here people. Yes a change at QB might keep some plays alive with Tebow's mobility but I must say I am surprised at this forum full of our QB controversy when we have bigger issues affecting the team.
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:34 PM   #2
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Not the best year for defensive linemen...at least not at this point.
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:37 PM   #3
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I think the reason QB is brought up a lot is because a potential answer for it is already on the team. When it comes to most of the other positions what Denver has is what you're going to get. (Also, I think the offensive-line will be better than people suspect as the year goes on, although I still believe Franklin is more guard-material than tackle.)
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:57 PM   #4
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When you are in rebuilding mode, the only thing that really matters is finding a QB. Once you find that, you can build an offense and a team around him.

It's a pity that the front office didn't bring anyone in, or give Tebow a real shot.
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You only need to look at the colts to see the differance a franchise QB makes. I am not a believer in orton,quinn or tebow. we haven't drafted our franchise QB yet.
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:07 PM   #6
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You win and Lose in the trenches
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:09 PM   #7
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:33 PM   #8
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Cute cliche, but the reality is you win and lose on 3rd down.
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:48 PM   #9
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actually, you win or lose on the scoreboard.

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Old 09-17-2011, 05:50 PM   #10
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:51 PM   #11
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The less players with DUI's on your roster, the more wins you will have. Unfortunately, we have a lot of drunks on our team.
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A number of Non franchise QBs have won Superbowls, very few teams have won without real quality on lines. It was superior line play the put the Broncos over the top after 4 consecutive losses. Your statement is a real axiom of football. Most highly successful teams, consistent year in and year out, live by this.

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Old 09-17-2011, 05:58 PM   #13
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Cute cliche, but the reality is you win and lose on 3rd down.
Nothing cute about it because teams that win in the trenches, win much more often on 3rd down. This isnt chicken and the egg.
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Old 09-17-2011, 06:02 PM   #14
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A number of Non franchise QBs have won Superbowls, very few teams have won without real quality on lines. It was superior line play the put the Broncos over the top after 4 consecutive losses. Your statement is a real axiom of football. Most highly successful teams, consistent year in and year out, live by this.
A number of teams have won Super Bowls with only adequate play in the trenches as well. This whole "this" or "that" wins championships thing never really flies. Good teams with good players throughout the roster win championships. There are plenty of teams with good lines on both sides of the ball that still aren't really good teams.
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What if your QB is bad that he sacks himself? What if he's so bad that he fumbles the ball with no contact? How will improving either line correct those kinds of things?
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A number of Non franchise QBs have won Superbowls
Name five in the past 20 years
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What if your QB is bad that he sacks himself? What if he's so bad that he fumbles the ball with no contact? How will improving either line correct those kinds of things?
Because improved run blocking means you'll be running the ball more?
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If you don't have a qb then you don't have a team. No matter how good you are in the trenches. We all know that Orton shouldn't be starting for any team in the league so why not try to develope Tebow.
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Colin Cowherd (dooshball that he is) has one good thing he likes to say about winning in football --- it's all about the quarterback.

Get a good quarterback.
Protect the quarterback.
Get some receivers for the quarterback to throw to.
Develop an effective run game so teams can't just tee off on the quarterback.

Get a pass rush to get at the other guys quarterback.
Get some shut down corners so the other guys quarterback can't throw to his favorite target.

It just feels like the world is not right on its axis if the quarterback position is up in the air. So while all the other roster spots have to improve, it feels like you can't stay away from that quarterback question.
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Rich Gannon - 2003
Trent Dilfer - 2001

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Colin Cowherd (dooshball that he is) has one good thing he likes to say about winning in football --- it's all about the quarterback.

Get a good quarterback.
Protect the quarterback.
Get some receivers for the quarterback to throw to.
Develop an effective run game so teams can't just tee off on the quarterback.

Get a pass rush to get at the other guys quarterback.
Get some shut down corners so the other guys quarterback can't throw to his favorite target.

It just feels like the world is not right on its axis if the quarterback position is up in the air. So while all the other roster spots have to improve, it feels like you can't stay away from that quarterback question.
Colin Cowherd is garbage. He should never be quoted.
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A number of teams have won Super Bowls with only adequate play in the trenches as well. This whole "this" or "that" wins championships thing never really flies. Good teams with good players throughout the roster win championships. There are plenty of teams with good lines on both sides of the ball that still aren't really good teams.
perfect example: 2010 panthers.

which is weird to me, with their RBs, oline, dline, LBs, how did they suck so bad? could fox really not gameplan around a TERRIBLE qb?
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Rich Gannon - 2003
Trent Dilfer - 2001

Dats it
Brad Johnson not Gannon. Raiders lost.
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Old 09-17-2011, 07:07 PM   #24
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actually, you win or lose on the scoreboard.

actually, you win or lose when the time runs out.
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and Rich Gannon was and excellent QB with the Raiders
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