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Old 09-14-2011, 08:22 PM   #1
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Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton suffered his share of bruises during a five-sack night in Monday night's loss to the Oakland Raiders. But Orton's ego might have taken the biggest beating as fans in Denver chanted third-string quarterback Tim Tebow's name.

Orton grew testy when a reporter asked him Wednesday if he felt any added pressure with the fans booing him and calling for Tebow to take his job.

"No, not at all," Orton said. "I'm not going to sit here and waste my time answering questions about it, to be honest with you. Until Coach (John) Fox comes to me, he's the only one that I'm going to listen to. So, I'd rather you guys not waste my time with the questions because I'm not going to answer them."

Asked if the criticism of Orton was fair, Fox said: "Life's not fair, but at the end of the day, he'll bounce back. I have all the confidence in the world in him. He did a lot of good things Monday night as well, so we've got some things we need to correct and we'll do that."

Orton said the contingent of fans voicing their disapproval don't bother him.

"I just look at it like I don't care," he said. "(Fox's) opinion and my teammates' opinions will always be the ones that matter."

And Fox is solidly in Orton's corner.

"Right now, we feel like Kyle Orton gives us our best chance," Fox said. "Even the staff before us felt that way. ... Right now, he's our starting quarterback. There's no question about that. Like our whole team, we've got some room for improvement this week."
He must not know what happened to the last staff...

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Old 09-14-2011, 08:25 PM   #2
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I think Orton will be on a much shorter leash. McD did more ****ty things to this franchise than starting Orton for the first 13 games. Hell, I would fire McD just based on the last 5 or so press conferences after the game.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:26 PM   #3
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What a shame. When you're this far down, you can only go up. I hope.
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Fox won't last long with his current philosophy.
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I'm not sure why Fox feels he has to go out of his way to take a dig at Tebow. If you still want to start Orton, just say it, no need to add "even the last staff felt so".
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Orton wants the big pay check but can't take the heat... he's going to fold up like a lawn chair from the pressure of being a number 1. This could be Fox's swan song too if he doesn't start to see the big picture.

They need us (fans) more than we need them.
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"Right now, we feel like Kyle Orton gives us our best chance," Fox said. "Even the staff before us felt that way"

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As a Denver FAN, I'm glad I'm not ignorant enough to chant for a 3rd sting QB.

These are truly the saddest days I have seen as a Broncos fan.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:50 PM   #10
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What does Kyle think is going to happen when he goes to another team as a "Franchise QB."

Let's say some team actually gives him a shot and makes him the guy. Is he going to get pissy when the fans trash him? Look at Tony Romo Kyle Orton hasn't seen anything yet.
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"Right now, we feel like Kyle Orton gives us our best chance," Fox said. "Even the staff before us felt that way."

That's a bush league thing for an experienced coach to say. What a shame.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:05 PM   #13
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DENVER OFFENSE: TE-BOW! TE-BOW! TE-BOW! TE-BOW! TE-BOW!

I'm not mimicking the Bronco fans. I was chanting this as well Monday night. I really don't understand it. Kyle Orton is incredibly overrated because so many people love to say he's underrated. He's not accurate; he doesn't have a good arm; and he spontaneously combusts in the red zone and on third down. He's a solid game-manager, but that's it. He's not a tenth of the quarterback Tim Tebow is capable of becoming. He's actually the opposite; he shines in practice and isn't nearly as good in games, whereas Tebow struggles in practice, but knows how to pull off victories when it counts. Unless the Broncos' grand-master plan is to "Suck for Luck," they are being incredibly stupid.

Well, I'm ready for more Orton mediocrity, how about you? Cincinnati's defense is actually pretty good; the Bengals will put the clamps on Knowshon Moreno (if he even plays) and Willis McGahee, just as they did with Peyton Hillis. This will force Orton into unfavorable situations, and thus more inaccurate passes well short of the marker on third down.

CINCINNATI OFFENSE: I'm not sure if Denver's offense or defense is worse. Probably the latter. The Broncos struggled to move the chains Monday night, but they had no hope of containing Darren McFadden.

Cedric Benson is obviously nowhere near as talented as McFadden, but he has superior blocking, thanks to right tackle Andre Smith being in shape for the first time in his professional career.

Benson will pound the rock against Denver's anemic front, giving Andy Dalton plenty of short-yardage opportunities to work with. Dalton did a solid job at Cleveland, and I think he'll continue to be efficient in this contest.

RECAP: I really like the Bengals; I just wish we were getting +6 or more. We lost some value because of Champ Bailey's hamstring (he'll be listed as questionable) and Denver's Monday night debaclation, unfortunately.

Two key numbers:

1. Marvin Lewis is 9-4 against the spread in the second of his back-to-back road games.

2. The Broncos are an anemic 2-14 against the spread as favorites of -3.5 or more since 2008. That's hilarious awful.


The Psychology. Edge: None.
No psychological edge found.


The Vegas. Edge: None.
Equal action early on.
Percentage of money on Denver: 52% (1,000 bets)


The Trends. Edge: Bengals. Marvin Lewis is 9-4 ATS in his second consecutive road game.
Bengals are 13-6 ATS as underdogs since 2009.
Broncos are 10-30 ATS as a favorite since 2006.
Broncos are 4-13 ATS before back-to-back road games the previous 17 instances.
Broncos are 2-14 ATS as favorites of 3.5 or more since 2008.
Opening Line: Broncos -6.
Opening Total: 39.5.
Weather: .


Week 2 NFL Pick: Bengals 17, Broncos 16
Bengals +4.5 (3 Units)
Under 40 (0 Units)
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"Right now, we feel like Kyle Orton gives us our best chance," Fox said. "Even the staff before us felt that way."

That's a bush league thing for an experienced coach to say. What a shame.
Right now, we feel Kyle Orton gives us our best chance to land Andrew Luck.
Those are the president's orders
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The Psychology. Edge: None.
No psychological edge found.

I'm going to email "Walter" and ask him what the Broncos GAF score is after the MNF game, since he can obviously discern psychological issues.
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I'm going to email "Walter" and ask him what the Broncos GAF score is after the MNF game, since he can obviously discern psychological issues.
I just dropped the canned orange juice on the floor after opening the freezer...my wife ripped off with an instant, "Nice one Orton."

I'd say that is a psychological advantage.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:21 PM   #17
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Until Orton loses the locker room, Tebow will have to wait.

Tebow's best opportunities will come in redzone or wildcat packages.

In the meantime, Fox and Elway should get the benefit of the doubt.

It was freaking game one and people want to throw Fox under the bus and start our 3rd string qb?

Give it time to play out. Three years should do it.
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Hold the ball like this so you don't wind up getting Orton'd out there...
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As a Denver FAN, I'm glad I'm not ignorant enough to chant for a 3rd sting QB.

These are truly the saddest days I have seen as a Broncos fan.
as a bronco fan im glad I root for the best qb to play.
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As a Denver FAN, I'm glad I'm not ignorant enough to chant for a 3rd sting QB.

These are truly the saddest days I have seen as a Broncos fan.
You'll get over it.
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I'm not sure why Fox feels he has to go out of his way to take a dig at Tebow. If you still want to start Orton, just say it, no need to add "even the last staff felt so".
Yea, when I read the quotes earlier this evening, I thought the same thing. He should have just stuck with some version of Orton gives us the best chance to win, he's our number one QB or something, not throw that dig at Tebow.
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as a bronco fan im glad I root for the best qb to play.
As a Denver FAN, I'm not about to say I know more than an NFL COACH with over 20 years experience.

If I had spent 60+hrs a week in the Broncos facility for the past 2 months maybe I'd KNOW which QB is "the best to play" ... until then, I'll side with the man who HAS spent that time down at Dove Valley!
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Wow...

I really don't know what to say to that. Fox uses an 'appeal to authority' argument and the authority is Josh McDaniels. Sweet lord.

We've hired another tard it seems...
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Wow...

I really don't know what to say to that. Fox uses an 'appeal to authority' argument and the authority is Josh McDaniels. Sweet lord.

We've hired another tard it seems...
Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

But, but, but, you cant have a contradictory opinion, John Fox has over 20 years NFL head coaching experience! Guess nobody is smart enough to be critical of Bob Slowick either...
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Until Orton loses the locker room, Tebow will have to wait.

Tebow's best opportunities will come in redzone or wildcat packages.

In the meantime, Fox and Elway should get the benefit of the doubt.

It was freaking game one and people want to throw Fox under the bus and start our 3rd string qb?

Give it time to play out. Three years should do it.

I have to agree with this. I think the organization has to respect the politics here. But that said, for Fox to reference the Josh McDaniels administration as justification for his decision - that's pretty Mickey Mouse. It's not what I expected from him. It's just one of those things - it's not the end of the world. But I would expect a coach like Fox to be a lot more measured than that. Can you imagine Shanahan coming in and referencing Wade Phillips to justify any decision he is currently making?
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