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Old 08-14-2017, 09:00 AM   #4376
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As much money as HBO has, its not exactly a bottomless pit. All things considered, i think the show has been fantastic this season. Yes, they've had to play a bit fast and loose with the passage of time, but i think its unavoidable. They've gotten a bit convenient with the storytelling (Gilly!), but man, you're not at the edge of your seat throughout the episode? I love this show.
I still have to watch. All this is just something to keep in mind when people delude themselves connecting fanboy plotline dots making the writing seem much more detailed and thoughtful than it really is.

At this point, the depth of writing could be managed by most aspiring young film school students. This thing is coasting on pure fumes of reputation. Nothing new or interesting is being built. We're watching the dismantling of something that once was.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:21 AM   #4378
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Either way, a lot of aspects are a bit disappointing currently. Does anyone know what level is Martin's involvement in the show at this stage?
I can't see Martin thinking the best way for Cersei to make temporary peace is to gather a LOTR fellowship and drag a corpse or white walker to King's Landing. The plot is so contrived other than a vehicle to show a big action sequence next week. It's like Michael Bay took over the screen writing.
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Too be fair, he was wearing armor and was sinking pretty fast at the end of the prior episode. Even if they were looking for him above, they wouldn't have found him as he jogged his way across and under the lake. So the fact that he walked along the lake's bottom to get to the other side with Brohn without being seen is just pure skill and common logic..
This is in fact how Aquaman came to be. When Jaime found out he can jog and breath underwater.
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I still have to watch. All this is just something to keep in mind when people delude themselves connecting fanboy plotline dots making the writing seem much more detailed and thoughtful than it really is.

At this point, the depth of writing could be managed by most aspiring young film school students. This thing is coasting on pure fumes of reputation. Nothing new or interesting is being built. We're watching the dismantling of something that once was.
Ok, stop. As someone who gets paid to write in hollywood (though, granted, not at that level, though I've optioned/sold a few screenplays throughout my time here) this level of writing could not be achieved by film students. Clearly, you've never read most film students' scripts.

Here's the issue, Game of Thrones is a huge world with nearly countless storylines that they have to wrap up in a finite number of episodes. Problem is, they need money for the big battles ahead, so have to ramp up the story in a way that makes narrative sense, but also adheres to a budget. They've cut some corners i nthe name of doing that, but man, they are doing a great job of juggling it and creating a great piece of drama.

Fumes? Please. Every friggin sunday is an event these days, and its not because they show sucks.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:31 AM   #4381
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Ok, stop. As someone who gets paid to write in hollywood (though, granted, not at that level, though I've optioned/sold a few screenplays throughout my time here) this level of writing could not be achieved by film students. Clearly, you've never read most film students' scripts.
It was a bit of hyperbole, but you know what I'm saying.

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Here's the issue, Game of Thrones is a huge world with nearly countless storylines that they have to wrap up in a finite number of episodes. Problem is, they need money for the big battles ahead, so have to ramp up the story in a way that makes narrative sense, but also adheres to a budget. They've cut some corners i nthe name of doing that, but man, they are doing a great job of juggling it and creating a great piece of drama.

Fumes? Please. Every friggin sunday is an event these days, and its not because they show sucks.
Return of the Jedi out-earned ESB. Not because it was anywhere near the same level. Fact of the matter is after all that groundbreaking build-up people just had to see how the series ended.

Now they're simply cashing the checks that were earned several seasons ago.
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This is in fact how Aquaman came to be. When Jaime found out he can jog and breath underwater.
At least that would be something.

Surprise! I'm alive and uncaptured unlike everyone else of any importance!

How? Meh.

Writers still needed me.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:38 AM   #4383
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Here's the issue, Game of Thrones is a huge world with nearly countless storylines that they have to wrap up in a finite number of episodes. Problem is, they need money for the big battles ahead, so have to ramp up the story in a way that makes narrative sense, but also adheres to a budget. They've cut some corners i nthe name of doing that, but man, they are doing a great job of juggling it and creating a great piece of drama.
How many episodes do they have left to wrap up the whole thing?

2 more this year and 6 or 7 next year?

Budget aside, that has to involve some very difficult compression and streamlining of storylines.
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It was a bit of hyperbole, but you know what I'm saying.



Return of the Jedi out-earned ESB. Not because it was anywhere near the same level. Fact of the matter is after all that groundbreaking build-up people just had to see how the series ended.

Now they're simply cashing the checks that were earned several seasons ago.
I think its A LOT more difficult than you're giving them credit for is my point. Just think how many things happened in this past episode that would have been the centerpiece of episodes in past seasons. (Jamie/Tyrion, Jorah returning, Gendry returning, Jon going to Eastwatch, etc etc etc)
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How many episodes do they have left to wrap up the whole thing?

2 more this year and 6 or 7 next year?

Budget aside, that has to involve some very difficult compression and streamlining of storylines.
2 more this year, and apparently 6 super sized ones next year?

And I agree. i think, all things considered, they're doing a pretty amazing job. I'll forgive the Gilly corner cuts.
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I think its A LOT more difficult than you're giving them credit for is my point. Just think how many things happened in this past episode that would have been the centerpiece of episodes in past seasons. (Jamie/Tyrion, Jorah returning, Gendry returning, Jon going to Eastwatch, etc etc etc)
I get that it's hard. My biggest criticism has been the artificial episode shortage to wrap this whole thing up. The most disastrous time possible to essentially lop 30% off of a season. Now how many sharks are they going to have to jump to collapse at the finish line?
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2 more this year, and apparently 6 super sized ones next year?

And I agree. i think, all things considered, they're doing a pretty amazing job. I'll forgive the Gilly corner cuts.
The last season is set for release in Dec/Jan of 2018/2019 and it is supposed to be 6 episodes. So, almost 1 year and a 1/2 from now.
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I get that it's hard. My biggest criticism has been the artificial episode shortage to wrap this whole thing up. The most disastrous time possible to essentially lop 30% off of a season. Now how many sharks are they going to have to jump to collapse at the finish line?
I assume its a budget issue. It costs a lot to have 80 shots of Dany flying Drogon.
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Yeah, and it also means that Jon (likely not his first name), is the true heir to the Iron Throne and King of Westeros. ALL IN THE FAMILY.
Wouldn't Jon is a bastard too ? cause R and L never was officially married.
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They should just use construction paper for the dragons, direwolves and Others. Take a page out of the Trey Parker and Matt Stone playbook like they did for South Park back in the day.
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Wouldn't Jon is a bastard too ? cause R and L never was officially married.
They were officially (but secretly) married. That was the whole point of Gilly scene last night.
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2 more this year, and apparently 6 super sized ones next year?

And I agree. i think, all things considered, they're doing a pretty amazing job. I'll forgive the Gilly corner cuts.
I LOVE that it was Gilly who dropped that bombshell. And I LOVE that Sam was too preoccupied to notice.

It's the big/little things that make this show great: Aria at the crossroads: Kill Cersei? - Help Jon... Kill Cerci? Yeah? Nah.. Help Jon.

Sure, the geography problems can be annoying if you let 'em. And the setup of the Magnificent Seven Quest was cheesy.

Ask anyone who has DM'd a D&D campaign into Epic level: After a certain point, the characters have leveled up to where they pretty much teleport at will to wherever they need to be. It's a PITA to try & manage, Like herding cats. And it's always a cringe worthy, contrived mess to get an experienced party out of the inn & down the road toward their quest.

That's not why we do it. We do it for the Epic Awesomeness that comes next!

Relax & enjoy the ride. Or not. Some people derive their enjoyment from the nit-picking. I get that.
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Wouldn't Jon is a bastard too ? cause R and L never was officially married.
Gilly mentioned the annulment of Rhaegar and his Martell wife to Sam in last night's episode. Which likely means that Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark ended up getting married in secret, which makes Jon a Targaryen and the legitimate Heir to the Iron Throne. Also the Prince Who Was Promised and a bunch of other things. I'm just connecting the dots.
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Too be fair, he was wearing armor and was sinking pretty fast at the end of the prior episode. Even if they were looking for him above, they wouldn't have found him as he jogged his way across and under the lake. So the fact that he walked along the lake's bottom to get to the other side with Brohn without being seen is just pure skill and common logic..
This is a scene where they needed to provide more explanation. For example, they could have shown Bronn drag Jamie to the surface, hide under a log--something. Or (and I think this would have been better) they could have shown Tyrion passively help them. For example, Tyrion is riding with Dothraki rounding up prisoners, sees Jamie and Bronn, and distracts the people he's with so they go somewhere else.

The problem is that the end of the last episode promised something. Is he alive or dead? Will he escape or be captured. And that promise was resolved with a wet fart.
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They should just use construction paper for the dragons, direwolves and Others. Take a page out of the Trey Parker and Matt Stone playbook like they did for South Park back in the day.
haha we could stretch it then!
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Because he's a creepy SOB. And I do think he had feelings for Caitlin, but that did not stop him at the end of the day to try and murder her kids. He loves the Iron Throne more than he loves any person.


I don't think so. He wants Sansa bad.
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The problem is that the end of the last episode promised something. Is he alive or dead? Will he escape or be captured. And that promise was resolved with a wet fart.
Best point of all. This was THE episode cliffhanger. People talked about it all week.

Next episode... "Oh, that? He just got up and walked away. Nobody noticed."
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Best point of all. This was THE episode cliffhanger. People talked about it all week.

Next episode... "Oh, that? He just got up and walked away. Nobody noticed."
You really thought Jamie was gonna die?

C'man. I don't have a problem with it and didn't need some big logistical thing just to get to the obvious conclusion.
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You really thought Jamie was gonna die?

C'man. I don't have a problem with it and didn't need some big logistical thing just to get to the obvious conclusion.
Actually I thought he'd be captured (as we discussed last week)

Because there was no conceivable way in that situation for him to end up anything but dead or captured.

Now if you wanna break out of that, fine. But it should involve something more than "Oh, yeah. We acted like that was a thing, but it wasn't really a thing. Move along."
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Gilly mentioned the annulment of Rhaegar and his Martell wife to Sam in last night's episode. Which likely means that Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark ended up getting married in secret, which makes Jon a Targaryen and the legitimate Heir to the Iron Throne. Also the Prince Who Was Promised and a bunch of other things. I'm just connecting the dots.
Yes, it could be they have not married yet. Then again, anything is and everything are possible in GOT.
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