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Old 07-18-2018, 03:24 PM   #51
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Again Beavis, how is that in any way equal to Trump siding with Putin and against every American intelligence agency in an international press conference? They made concessions to try to lower tensions. It may or may not have been the right decision, but to act like that decision undermines the Democrats' ability to call out open treason is absurd. Hell, even some Republicans were calling it that...
It's not the same thing. Beav is just as delusional as the other Repubs. He's a party over country person, always has been, always will be. Just imagine for 1 moment if Obama was the man in office the last 2 years, all that has happened, all of it, can you imagine how the right wing wackos would have been on this board, OMG it would have been through the roof. Obama would have been impeached probably within the first year if he was Trump. Republicans here are absolute hypocrites at best.
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It's not the same thing. Beav is just as delusional as the other Repubs. He's a party over country person, always has been, always will be. Just imagine for 1 moment if Obama was the man in office the last 2 years, all that has happened, all of it, can you imagine how the right wing wackos would have been on this board, OMG it would have been through the roof. Obama would have been impeached probably within the first year if he was Trump. Republicans here are absolute hypocrites at best.
Lolz. Obama MOCKED Republicans for recognizing Russia for what it was.
For what you now suddenly say it is.

Now you want extra credit for suddenly leaping over Trump to the other side.

To be fair, the righties who have done the exact opposite deserve the same criticism you deserve.

But anyone who went from "Russia's a joke!" to "Russia's an existential threat!" in 2-3 years (or vice versa) shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
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Stupidity is not a proper legal defense unless one is deemed to be mentally unfit, aka retarded. And if Trump is retarded that's a really good reason to remove him from office as well.
Unfortunately, stupidity is fairly well insulated when it comes to higher office.

The remaining sane Republicans will have to work with Democrats to draw some boundaries as needed. The biggest problem we face is the emergence of political Teams across entities that were designed to check one another, coupled with a widespread moral decay.
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That or something worse...
True. Trump might not care at all about the pee vids. Maybe it's all those hundreds of millions in loans from the Russian mob through Deutschebank? That might be more up Trump's alley, as far as selling out goes. He's spent his entire life getting bailed out. Probably has an intense aversion to the idea of financial collapse.
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Lolz. Obama MOCKED Republicans for recognizing Russia for what it was.
For what you now suddenly say it is.

Now you want extra credit for suddenly leaping over Trump to the other side.

To be fair, the righties who have done the exact opposite deserve the same criticism you deserve.

But anyone who went from "Russia's a joke!" to "Russia's an existential threat!" in 2-3 years (or vice versa) shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
So, to be clear, a person isn't allowed to change their position on Russia's threat level even as events in the last few years have progressively begun to show they are hostile? Anyone who changes their opinion over a 2-3 year span shouldn't ever be taken seriously? Is that what you are saying?
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So, to be clear, a person isn't allowed to change their position on Russia's threat level even as events in the last few years have progressively begun to show they are hostile? Anyone who changes their opinion over a 2-3 year span shouldn't ever be taken seriously? Is that what you are saying?
Well to the extent that it's an admission of "I didn't know what I was talking about back then" that's fine.

But let's just say if you didn't already think the Russians were hacking and interfering with virtually anything and everything they could get their hands on (like we do) since well before even Obama took office, you really just didn't have a very realistic grip on the world around you.

And realizing that, that same person's sudden leap to Defcon One should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
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Well to the extent that it's an admission of "I didn't know what I was talking about back then" that's fine.

But let's just say if you didn't already think the Russians were hacking and interfering with virtually anything and everything they could get their hands on (like we do) since well before even Obama took office, you really just didn't have a very realistic grip on the world around you.

And realizing that, that same person's sudden leap to Defcon One should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
False Equivalence Beaver to Benedict Donald's rescue!

Didn't vote for tRump (wink, wink) but puts in serious work in his efforts to normalize every last embarrassment and aberration.
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Well to the extent that it's an admission of "I didn't know what I was talking about back then" that's fine.

But let's just say if you didn't already think the Russians were hacking and interfering with virtually anything and everything they could get their hands on (like we do) since well before even Obama took office, you really just didn't have a very realistic grip on the world around you.

And realizing that, that same person's sudden leap to Defcon One should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
I don't think anyone thought Russia was harmless, as you seem to be suggesting. As always, you show an incredible capacity for intellectual dishonesty.
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You have to chuckle at Beaver's attempts to normalize the Russian interference in the 2016 election: "no big deal - this sort of thing happens all the time." L0L.
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I don't think anyone thought Russia was harmless, as you seem to be suggesting. As always, you show an incredible capacity for intellectual dishonesty.
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The student was Barack Obama, and he was clearly trying to sort out his thoughts. In the conclusion, he denounced “the twisted logic of which we are a part today” and praised student efforts to realize “the possibility of a decent world.” But his article, “Breaking the War Mentality,” which only recently has been rediscovered, said little about how to achieve the utopian dream.

Twenty-six years later, the author, in his new job as president of the United States, has begun pushing for new global rules, treaties and alliances that he insists can establish a nuclear-free world.
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I don't think anyone thought Russia was harmless, as you seem to be suggesting. As always, you show an incredible capacity for intellectual dishonesty.
Not harmless. That said, the Russian military establishment is only one tenth as large as ours.

Follow the logic. The US military budget is 10 times larger, hence, is 10 times more entrenched, 10 times more corrupt, and 10 times more dangerous than the Russian counterpart./

This is why our main problem is right here at home. The problem is not Russia or China. Pogo said it.
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Not harmless. That said, the Russian military establishment is only one tenth as large as ours.

Follow the logic. The US military budget is 10 times larger, hence, is 10 times more entrenched, 10 times more corrupt, and 10 times more dangerous than the Russian counterpart./

This is why our main problem is right here at home. The problem is not Russia or China. Pogo said it.
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NYT report: Dotard Don was told 2 weeks before inauguration that Putin personally directed election interference. Given names, dates etc. He reportedly - grudgingly - agreed. He has lied since.

That is "aiding and abetting", and can be vouched by CIA FBI, NSA, and DoJ. If Dems get house, impeachment could be foregone result.

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Dotard Don doesn't like the intelligence services because they have the truth, and he ain't telling it. The Intelligence community have the e-mails, the messages, etc. The SOB is cooked and he knows it in his black little lizzard brain.
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Information about Putin's order comes from a person in the Kremlin. Intelligence services are passed, and Dotard Don is going to get an earful from them.
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Well to the extent that it's an admission of "I didn't know what I was talking about back then" that's fine.

But let's just say if you didn't already think the Russians were hacking and interfering with virtually anything and everything they could get their hands on (like we do) since well before even Obama took office, you really just didn't have a very realistic grip on the world around you.

And realizing that, that same person's sudden leap to Defcon One should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
Dude, just shut up. Seriously. We all know Russia has always tried to hack, but no POTUS has ever went up on stage with Putin and bent over like Trump has. Yeah, Bush looked into his eyes and saw his soul, that was pretty crappy also. But Russia specifically went after the DNC server hours after Trump asked them to on TV during his campaign. He ASKED Russia to hack us. I don't recall Bush, Obama, or anything other POTUS asking for Russia to hack us. Nor has any other POTUS met with Putin without aides or others in the room. Nor has any other POTUS been under investigation for collusion with Russia. Good god man, if you can't see there is a difference then you need to just go back under your rock.
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This is an incredible, unprecedented moment. America is being betrayed by its own president. America is under attack and its president absolutely refuses to defend it.

Simply put, Trump is a traitor and may well be treasonous.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/o...ion-putin.html
On the other hand Putin's approval rating among Republicans has been going up for over two years now.



Republicans Fuel Rise in Putin's Favorable Ratings

A major reason for the overall rise in Putin's favorable rating this year is Republicans' more positive views of the Russian leader, from 12% in 2015 to 32% today. This comes at a time when President Donald Trump wants to improve relations with Russia, after somewhat frosty relations between the two countries during Barack Obama's presidency. Independents' opinions of Putin also have grown more positive in the last two years, but to a lesser extent than Republicans'. Democrats' views have become slightly less positive, with just 10% viewing Putin favorably today.

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Dude, just shut up. Seriously. We all know Russia has always tried to hack, but no POTUS has ever went up on stage with Putin and bent over like Trump has. Yeah, Bush looked into his eyes and saw his soul, that was pretty crappy also. But Russia specifically went after the DNC server hours after Trump asked them to on TV during his campaign. He ASKED Russia to hack us. I don't recall Bush, Obama, or anything other POTUS asking for Russia to hack us. Nor has any other POTUS met with Putin without aides or others in the room. Nor has any other POTUS been under investigation for collusion with Russia. Good god man, if you can't see there is a difference then you need to just go back under your rock.
He knows full well there's a difference...a HUGE one. They all know, but they don't care. Rump's fanboys made a choice a long ways back down the trail to ride the Manchurian Candidate till the wheels fall off even though it meant selling out the country. As long as they get a SCOTUS pick or two from him and enough legislation aimed at rolling back civil rights and harming minorities, women, immigrants, gay people and blue states, that's all they really care about. He predicted this...remember? He said he could shoot someone in broad daylight in NYC and not lose any of his base, and he was right.

Hate is remarkably loyal.
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NYT report: Dotard Don was told 2 weeks before inauguration that Putin personally directed election interference. Given names, dates etc. He reportedly - grudgingly - agreed. He has lied since.

That is "aiding and abetting", and can be vouched by CIA FBI, NSA, and DoJ. If Dems get house, impeachment could be foregone result.
Impeachment requires more than simple majorities in the House and Senate.
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