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Old 09-23-2018, 04:05 PM   #26
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one positive note - it was great to see Jewell covering on a pass play -- not sure if it was a TE or a RB out of the backfield -- but he handled it very well. Kid's going to be very good.
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:06 PM   #27
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Your just butthurt and looking for a scapegoat.
His name is Case Keenum.
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:42 PM   #28
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I'm not about to dump all the blame on Musgrave, but I do find it interesting that he's never really caught heat for the problems that the Broncos have had. Every other coach has.
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i found the play calling very predictable- if freeman or lindsey then run, if booker then pass or in case he run then we all know it's not gonna be 1 yard gain lol
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Old 09-23-2018, 05:25 PM   #30
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i found the play calling very predictable- if freeman or lindsey then run, if booker then pass or in case he run then we all know it's not gonna be 1 yard gain lol
That's life when your QB is a back up.
Handcuffs the O coordinator.
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i found the play calling very predictable- if freeman or lindsey then run, if booker then pass or in case he run then we all know it's not gonna be 1 yard gain lol
Freeman and Lindsay were in on plenty of pass plays. Freeman made some decent blocks.
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I'm not about to dump all the blame on Musgrave, but I do find it interesting that he's never really caught heat for the problems that the Broncos have had. Every other coach has.
Yeah, why is that?
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:28 PM   #33
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Baltimore has been the best D in the league by the numbers so far this year. Both defenses played great, allowing 4.9 and 4.8 yards. These are two good teams.
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:31 PM   #34
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one positive note - it was great to see Jewell covering on a pass play -- not sure if it was a TE or a RB out of the backfield -- but he handled it very well. Kid's going to be very good.
I actually thought that could have been PI. Probably the one call that went Denver's way.
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Musgrave was running it to use clock and preserve the 13 point loss.
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Itís hard to blame Musgrave for Lindsay being ejected from the game. Iím certain much of the game plan relied on Lindsay being out there.
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Itís hard to blame Musgrave for Lindsay being ejected from the game. Iím certain much of the game plan relied on Lindsay being out there.
True.

Why hasn't there been any criticism of Lindsay for getting tossed then? If there has, I missed it, but that was a pretty big factor in the game
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I'm not about to dump all the blame on Musgrave, but I do find it interesting that he's never really caught heat for the problems that the Broncos have had. Every other coach has.
Subtly pulling the race card here, I see...GTFO.

Musgrave has caught plenty of heat on here today. And people don't hate on Woods and Radio because they are black. It's because they suck at coaching football at the professional level.

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Old 09-23-2018, 07:31 PM   #39
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Subtly pulling the race card here, I see...GTFO.

Musgrave has caught plenty of heat on here today. And people don't hate on Woods and Radio because they are black. It's because they suck at coaching football at the professional level.
You should delete this, itís embarrassingly stupid
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I’m not sure what to think of Musgrave. I suspect if Carr was the Broncos QB the offense would be much better...
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You should delete this, itís embarrassingly stupid
No, because that's exactly what he was getting at.

Footsteps as well with his response. Anyone with a brain can read between the lines on that.

For the record, Jason is a pretty good poster and everyone knows footsteps is a retard.

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Itís 2nd and 3rd and 1. Time huge factor. Right at the goal line.

Running plays donít work? Time still runs.

Passing play doesnít work time stops.

That moment isnít the time to try and manage the game passively.
If you don't agree with this line of logic, you shouldn't be watching football. We had 3 chances to throw it in the endzone or short pass that gets us out of bounds with the first down. Not only did we stupidly do it once, we doubled down and did it again! It wasn't like we only needed one score, we needed to score fast with our 2 timeouts left , play good D and then march down the field to get another touchdown...all in a short time frame. Musgrave blew it and Joseph allowing it was also him being at fault. That was very Mike Martz time management.
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You know I dumped a lot of blame on Musgrave in the game thread, but I forced myself to rewatch it and the reality is that Keenum sucks and Bill doesn't trust him. Most of the issues on offense today simply came down to Case Keenum not making reads, holding the ball too long and drifting out of the pocket when he didn't have to.
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I never realized when we hired black coaches we were going to be faced with GDT coaching insult quotas.

You live, you learn I guess.
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This. Mustgrave is simply dealing with a back up QB who he can't trust to make the throws. It's just a simple "case" of a o coordinator who doesn't trust his QB.
Come on, running down two scores inside 4 minutes and inside the 10.... Just idiotic.

If you can't trust your QB in that situation, you can't win the game.
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Old 09-23-2018, 10:49 PM   #46
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You know I dumped a lot of blame on Musgrave in the game thread, but I forced myself to rewatch it and the reality is that Keenum sucks and Bill doesn't trust him. Most of the issues on offense today simply came down to Case Keenum not making reads, holding the ball too long and drifting out of the pocket when he didn't have to.
I also think he canít throw a wet ball. He didnít look downfield much
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Subtly pulling the race card here, I see...GTFO.

Musgrave has caught plenty of heat on here today. And people don't hate on Woods and Radio because they are black. It's because they suck at coaching football at the professional level.
You know this...how?
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No, because that's exactly what he was getting at.

Footsteps as well with his response. Anyone with a brain can read between the lines on that.

For the record, Jason is a pretty good poster and everyone knows footsteps is a retard.
Yeah?

This board has hundreds of posts talking about football unrelated criticisms of these guys, everything to constant assaults on their supposed IQ's to the cardinal sin of struggling with a headset.

I suggest you're the retard if you think zero percentage of this audience doesn't care about the race of these two coaches.
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I feel like Woods and VJ have caught way more **** than Musgrave. And it's not because they are black it's because the team and the defense sucks. McCoy caught a ton and was fired.

There are probably some people who want VJ to do well because he's black just like there's some who think he sucks because he's black. But those are in the minority. The reality is most people don't give a **** about race. They're too focused on their own lives and struggles to waste time hating on someone because of their skin. The majority of Bronco fans want VJ to do well because they want the team to not suck. And most don't care for him because the team looks blah and has looked blah since last year.
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I feel like Woods and VJ have caught way more **** than Musgrave. And it's not because they are black it's because the team and the defense sucks. McCoy caught a ton and was fired.

There are probably some people who want VJ to do well because he's black just like there's some who think he sucks because he's black. But those are in the minority. The reality is most people don't give a **** about race. They're too focused on their own lives and struggles to waste time hating on someone because of their skin. The majority of Bronco fans want VJ to do well because they want the team to not suck. And most don't care for him because the team looks blah and has looked blah since last year.
VJ and Woods getting lumped together in the critique of the team is something done in here routinely, while Musgrave is rarely mentioned in that analysis despite less than stellar results so far. Lost in this, is also the fact that Woods coached the No Fly Zone to back-to-back performances as the top pass defense in the league, followed up by a pretty good overall defense last year in his first season as a DC despite getting almost no help from the offensive side of the ball. He also had a fairly strong track record before he came here. Mike Tomlin and Wade Phillips...two guys who know a thing or two...brought him on board. All this makes the idea that he's an imbecile pretty far-fetched. Talib commented on how he coached in place of Wade...and this made for some good water cooler discussion but this is a good commentary on the reasons for their different styles:

https://milehighsports.com/aqib-tali...s-illustrated/

Expecting Woods, who has been coaching in the NFL about 30 years less than Wade Phillips, to be as good as him, is a bit unrealistic, to say the least. The writer makes a good point here.

This developing consensus opinion that ignores Woods' work the last three seasons here in favor of weighting the discussion on the last 3 games and draws the conclusion that he sucks is pretty stupid, no matter what the motivation for arriving at that idea, ergo...the suspicion that something else might be in play at times. Woods is working with a different set of players than he had before, an obvious yet rarely mentioned factor in the style of play he's adopted. Fans, of course, would like to see what they think works, and most probably think they know more than the coaches do about whether the talent fits the scheme or not.

Denver is another year from having the right talent mix on defense IMO, and Woods should be here to see what he does by then.
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