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Old 05-27-2018, 09:56 PM   #26
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Least number of sacks in twelve years has a lot to do with the QB.
Definitely. When this topic comes up, I usually ask the question: What QB is the all-time leader in sack avoidance? It's not Vick or Tarkenton or Randall Cunningham, it's actually Dan Marino. Led the league 10 of his 17 years, and is the All-Time record holder at just 3.13 sacks per 100 passes.

That's what I usually ask, but it turns out now it's a TIE for the All-Time record... Guess who...?
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:30 AM   #27
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Old 05-28-2018, 08:06 AM   #28
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Definitely. When this topic comes up, I usually ask the question: What QB is the all-time leader in sack avoidance? It's not Vick or Tarkenton or Randall Cunningham, it's actually Dan Marino. Led the league 10 of his 17 years, and is the All-Time record holder at just 3.13 sacks per 100 passes.

That's what I usually ask, but it turns out now it's a TIE for the All-Time record... Guess who...?
Not surprising. Both QBs are known for their presnap reads and quick releases.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:22 PM   #29
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I think as far as actually getting out of pocket trouble, Siemian was much, much better than Orton. I think he secretly liked doing it, and made sure to take a couple extra unnecessary steps backward in the wrong direction each passing snap just to boost the odds. He was also extremely good at being completely oblivious to the pressure when it did finally come, however, and rarely chose to exhibit both skills simultaneously.
Finally? I remember "finally" as roughly 1.5 seconds...the length of time it took Michael Schoefield, Max Garcia, Donald Stephenson or Ty Sambrailo to holler "LOOK OUT!!"
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Finally? I remember "finally" as roughly 1.5 seconds...the length of time it took Michael Schoefield, Max Garcia, Donald Stephenson or Ty Sambrailo to holler "LOOK OUT!!"


But Assassin is right I think ... the only way a couple of statues like Manning and Marino are tied for the all-time sack-avoidance record is they recognize where the pressure's gonna come from, and both have those snap quick releases. Its great that Mudd's coming in to share some wisdom, but Peyton would've had those skills with or without him.
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Mudd is a power scheme coach. Not sure what all he could add. This is something Manning lobbied for, so I am unclear if this was a favor he was doing the Broncos, as a not-so-subtle hnit about how he feels about the current situation on the offensive line, or if this is a favor he did for Mudd who may be looking for work. Regardless, I think the more people they bring in, the better.
Actually, he is not a power scheme coach Kaylore. He runs everything. INDY was actually much more zone when Manning was here and they ran a ton of Outside stretch until Manning could not make the handoffs as easily as he did when Edgerrin James was here.

What Mudd does is excel in making average guys serviceable. Very similar to Dante Scarnecchia in New England. He always rolled out guys who could at least not suck for Manning as they were often injured during that time as well. Mudd is eccentric but a very, very Good OL coach. Glad to see Denver trying something to help their perennial terrible OL play.....
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Actually, he is not a power scheme coach Kaylore. He runs everything. INDY was actually much more zone when Manning was here and they ran a ton of Outside stretch until Manning could not make the handoffs as easily as he did when Edgerrin James was here.

What Mudd does is excel in making average guys serviceable. Very similar to Dante Scarnecchia in New England. He always rolled out guys who could at least not suck for Manning as they were often injured during that time as well. Mudd is eccentric but a very, very Good OL coach. Glad to see Denver trying something to help their perennial terrible OL play.....
Yeah i seem to remeber a lot of Zone running when Manning was there.
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Finally? I remember "finally" as roughly 1.5 seconds...the length of time it took Michael Schoefield, Max Garcia, Donald Stephenson or Ty Sambrailo to holler "LOOK OUT!!"
That's an exaggeration. A misremember based on a case of people repeating it until it's assumed true. That an a couple of epic meltdowns.

It became obvious last season that our QB's had no idea how to navigate a pocket. The o-line was far from a strength, but their shortcomings were severely exacerbated by the QB's. None of them stepped up when they should have, and stood flat footed right in the path of the outside rush, where they were being correctly led by the tackles. Well that or running backwards, which is actually worse.

That is aside from so many of TS worst plays coming when there was no rush.
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The line has been getting better, incrementally, each season. Drafting and spending money at the position has helped. Getting some better QB play and better coordinating will definitely help.
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Yeah i seem to remeber a lot of Zone running when Manning was there.
I wonder if Case has the legs to work that same wide stretch hand off, with a young RB giving him daylight and choices upfield would be nicer than having him run into a pile or dance to find daylight. Plus no one seems to run a true stretch play anymore.
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