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Old 01-11-2019, 08:58 PM   #276
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Wow big news and I just saw. Guess no dream team of Kub , Rico and Slowik that Ag was dreaming about.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:06 PM   #277
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Unless they can find clear upgrades, I’m good with keeping the WR’s coach, and maybe Geep Chryst. It wasn’t his fault his top TE’s all ended up on IR.
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I thought only classless organizations like the niners denied interview requests.
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I thought only classless organizations like the niners denied interview requests.
Get your data straight before trying to be sarcastic.

Niners blocked coach from vertical movement. Does it say anywhere Broncos did that?

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Old 01-11-2019, 09:16 PM   #280
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I thought only classless organizations like the niners denied interview requests.
I'm pretty sure they are looking to keep him and that the other teams only want to hire him for the same position.
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Good. Modkins has been great. Sudeville would have kept Lyndsay inactive all season or put him on the practice squad and then maybe in 3 years would have tried to roll him out after 3 other guys got injured.
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I thought only classless organizations like the niners denied interview requests.
He’s not going to be interviewed for a OC job. It’s common to protect your better assistants on a lateral job.
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I thought only classless organizations like the niners denied interview requests.
Blocking guys under contract for lateral moves is not the same thing.
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Good. Modkins has been great. Sudeville would have kept Lyndsay inactive all season or put him on the practice squad and then maybe in 3 years would have tried to roll him out after 3 other guys got injured.
Studeville wouldn’t have taught them how to hold onto the football until AFTER they each had two fumbles two games in a row. Freeman had one fumble all year, and Lindsay none. That really amazing for two rookies.
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Get your data straight before trying to be sarcastic.

Niners blocked coach from vertical movement. Does it say anywhere Broncos did that?

You dumbass.
Get your facts straight dumbass, unless the 9ers denied a request for a hc interview, it's considered lateral, dumbass. Positional coaches and coordinators are considered the same level in the eyes of the NFL...dumbass, learn the rules....dumbass.
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This is such great ****ing news. I'm glad they are moving forward instead of looking back. Hopefully we get a fresh mind with fresh ideas.

No offense to Kubiak, but that just didn't feel like a good thing... AT ALL.

Much respect to Elway.
Agree, so happy about this. Kudos to Elway for waking up.
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Blocking guys under contract for lateral moves is not the same thing.
So they wanted to interview him for hc?
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Get your facts straight dumbass, unless the 9ers denied a request for a hc interview, it's considered lateral, dumbass. Positional coaches and coordinators are considered the same level in the eyes of the NFL...dumbass, learn the rules....dumbass.
You really think in reality - positional coaches and coordinators are the same?

This isn’t a discussion about semantics of NFL law and rules (which I know more about than you).

You dumbass.
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So they wanted to interview him for hc?
I don’t know wtf you are talking about.
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I don’t know wtf you are talking about.
Nevermind seemed like the same situation from what I read
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You really think in reality - positional coaches and coordinators are the same?

This isn’t a discussion about semantics of NFL law and rules (which I know more about than you).

You dumbass.
I don't think they are but from positional to coordinator is considered the same/lateral.
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I don't think they are but from positional to coordinator is considered the same/lateral.
Post rule where it says it is considered lateral/same.
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Post rule where it says it is considered lateral/same.


Technically he’s right. I found this :

“Edit: Here we go. This quote says it all:
"Anti-Tampering Policy" In Plain English

MISCELLANEOUS

TWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an Assistant Coach, regardless of what title a team may give it's coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.

And from a little further down the document;

LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES

Assistant coach - to - Non Head Coach opportunities

Note: "promotions" to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period.

There is an example. It's why you never see these moves..or very rarely. I'm sure Coordinator XY would love to bring the QB coach of his old team with him to serve as his new OC. Never happens though.

Think about how a OC turned HC could raid half of the staff he just left by simply promoting these people otherwise.”
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Post rule where it says it is considered lateral/same.
"If you think it's unfair that a team can block a position coach from landing a promotion elsewhere - especially after denying him an internal promotion - you're not alone. But the Vikings were completely within their rights to deny Stefanski the opportunity to pursue career advancement.

The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL"


https://www.nj.com/giants/2018/02/2_...ng_hire_r.html
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This too.

https://articles.nj.com/giants/index...ing_hire_r.amp

“The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.”
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Technically he’s right. I found this :

“Edit: Here we go. This quote says it all:
"Anti-Tampering Policy" In Plain English

MISCELLANEOUS

TWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an Assistant Coach, regardless of what title a team may give it's coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.

And from a little further down the document;

LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES

Assistant coach - to - Non Head Coach opportunities

Note: "promotions" to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period.

There is an example. It's why you never see these moves..or very rarely. I'm sure Coordinator XY would love to bring the QB coach of his old team with him to serve as his new OC. Never happens though.

Think about how a OC turned HC could raid half of the staff he just left by simply promoting these people otherwise.”
Interesting.

NFL recognizes position and coordinator as 2 different tiers but was unsure of how wording applied to this “anti tampering” rule.

The fact remains that most teams operate in good ethics to allow coaches vertical movement unless unique situation (raiding staff)
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Technically he’s right. I found this :

“Edit: Here we go. This quote says it all:
"Anti-Tampering Policy" In Plain English

MISCELLANEOUS

TWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an Assistant Coach, regardless of what title a team may give it's coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.

And from a little further down the document;

LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES

Assistant coach - to - Non Head Coach opportunities

Note: "promotions" to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period.

There is an example. It's why you never see these moves..or very rarely. I'm sure Coordinator XY would love to bring the QB coach of his old team with him to serve as his new OC. Never happens though.

Think about how a OC turned HC could raid half of the staff he just left by simply promoting these people otherwise.”
Did you notice when they instituted this rule? I always believed it was when Shanny stole Alex Gibbs from Marty Shottenhiemer in 1995 by giving him the title, Asst. HC- OL. Marty had a fit and complained, and that is when a rule was put into place to prevent things like that. There is a legit arguement on whether Kubiak or Gibbs was the better hire for Shanahan.
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Interesting.

NFL recognizes position and coordinator as 2 different tiers but was unsure of how wording applied to this “anti tampering” rule.

The fact remains that most teams operate in good ethics to allow coaches vertical movement unless unique situation (raiding staff)


Ya the only way I’d say it would be wise to block position to coordinator may be within your division.


Reading into it looking for the rule there’s a lot of articles wanting to change it to a promotion.
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The discussion is about the ethical application of denying interviews.

Everyone knows you can block interview unless it’s HC.
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Did you notice when they instituted this rule? I always believed it was when Shanny stole Alex Gibbs from Marty Shottenhiemer in 1995 by giving him the title, Asst. HC- OL. Marty had a fit and complained, and that is when a rule was put into place to prevent things like that. There is a legit arguement on whether Kubiak or Gibbs was the better hire for Shanahan.

Ya I can see why they do it. Would be a Wild West shootout without it. Just sucks for a position coach who’d otherwise would get a coordinating job. I bet some of these coaches take into account how long or short their contracts need to be

Good thing Munchaks is up at the right time.
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