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Old 01-12-2018, 04:39 PM   #26
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I wonder what her source is--that it not what overthecap says: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/denver-broncos

But a 3 million dollar dead money hit is still a lot for a productive player.
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1. Spotrac says $15M dead money hit.
2. OTC says $7M dead money hit.
3. Jhabvala says $3.1M dead money hit.

Gargantuan disparity in numbers.


Donít roster bonuses not count against the cap? Where is she getting this?
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:57 PM   #28
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DT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE

THE WR THAT NEEDS TO BE CUT IS SANDERS

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Old 01-12-2018, 05:13 PM   #29
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Ok, I get it now. Here's the deal. It's actually a VERY good contract for the Broncos.

1. If they cut DT before the end of 2017 league year, they will only have paid him $40.433M over the first 3 years of the contract ($13.48M AAV).
2. If they cut DT before the end of the 2017 league year, it really is only a $3.067M dead money hit. That's it!
3. If they KEEP DT after the last day of 2017 league year, dead money jumps to $7.068M, but his 2018 total cap hit is only $12.033M (not bad).
4. If they keep him, they can still cut him next year for only $3.533 dead money hit.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:14 PM   #30
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1. Spotrac says $15M dead money hit.
2. OTC says $7M dead money hit.
3. Jhabvala says $3.1M dead money hit.

Gargantuan disparity in numbers.
Jhabvala is correct if DT bonus option not pick up cause the signing bonus 2.2 for 2018 and 2019 minus 1.33 million of the 4 mil bonus already charged to 2017 cap already.

OTC is assuming that option bonus already picked up and DT is now cut.

Sportrac is complete wrong.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:27 PM   #31
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And Gase in Miami is interviewing Studesville for RB coach. I think the Broncos will call Miami and ask what they will give for CJ. They were perfectly OK with the money a couple of years ago, so why not now?

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Old 01-12-2018, 05:29 PM   #32
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Donít roster bonuses not count against the cap? Where is she getting this?
It's easy if you break it down. Broncos basically have to decide if it's worth it to keep DT or if they can get somebody better for cheaper. This is how it breaks down:

1. Cut now to incur $3.067M dead money cap charge.
2. Restructure now (also would include $3.067M dead money charge).
2. Let him play play one more year at $15.567M cap charge, then try to restructure or cut.

Anybody our there younger and cheaper? Potential out is right now.
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Old 01-12-2018, 05:45 PM   #33
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Jhabvala is correct if DT bonus option not pick up cause the signing bonus 2.2 for 2018 and 2019 minus 1.33 million of the 4 mil bonus already charged to 2017 cap already.

OTC is assuming that option bonus already picked up and DT is now cut.

Sportrac is complete wrong.
Yep. Spotrac is a joke. Jhabvala is right. Time to act on DT is right now. I see another Dumervil situation coming. Broncos may lowball him. Big possibility that DT is gone, unless he accepts a lowball deal. Broncos may want to bring in a younger #1 to grow with Cousins.

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Old 01-12-2018, 05:51 PM   #34
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Yep. Spotrac is a joke. Jhabvala is right. Time to act on DT is right now. I see another Dumervil situation coming. Broncos may lowball him. Big possibility that DT is gone, unless he accepts a lowball deal. Broncos may want to bring in a younger #1 to grow with Cousins.
Only question is who is that guy? No one on the current roster, and it will cost just as much to get someone like that in free agency.
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Yep. Spotrac is a joke. Jhabvala is right. Time to act on DT is right now. I see another Dumervil situation coming. Broncos may lowball him. Big possibility that DT is gone, unless he accepts a lowball deal. Broncos may want to bring in a younger #1 to grow with Cousins.
I would give DT his bonus option and renegotiate after 2018 cause right now the difference keeping DT for another 7.5 mil cap charge.
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Only question is who is that guy? No one on the current roster, and it will cost just as much to get someone like that in free agency.
It's okay of they cost the same. If Broncos pay this bonus, they'll likely have to pay DT $26M over the next two years even with a restructure. That's to of the market for a declining 30+ guy. What does FA WR market look like?
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I would give DT his bonus option and renegotiate after 2018 cause right now the difference keeping DT for another 7.5 mil cap charge.
It's only a $3.1M cap charge if they dump him now.
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It's okay of they cost the same. If Broncos pay this bonus, they'll likely have to pay DT $26M over the next two years even with a restructure. That's to of the market for a declining 30+ guy. What does FA WR market look like?
John Brown, Albert Wilson (although i'd guess he goes to Chi with Nagy), Allen Robinson, Marquise Lee, Paul Richardson, Jarvis Landry, Jordan Matthews, Brice Butler would be a sleeper for cheap. Watkins will probably get tagged.

There's certainly options but they'll cost a good penny. The options are younger than DT. Even if DT is "declining", he's by far the best WR on the team.
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It's okay of they cost the same. If Broncos pay this bonus, they'll likely have to pay DT $26M over the next two years even with a restructure. That's to of the market for a declining 30+ guy. What does FA WR market look like?
Some garbage out there.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/


No DC is gameplanning and rotating coverages to one side of the field like they do DT. Sanders would get smothered.


If they get a rookie to start this year, he needs high quality targets. Cousins can deal with ****tier players cause heís already good enough to make WRs better. but a rookie will need players to make him better.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:35 PM   #40
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2 options:

Keep him at current salary

Restructure


You do not cut him. Even if it's a (slight) over pay, it's worth it.
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Old 01-12-2018, 06:52 PM   #41
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Nuts. Give him his walking papers.

For the past two seasons nobody thought it was possible. You still have Manny. Get another cheaper guy. Or two, for that price.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:27 PM   #42
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We're too heavily invested in the WR position right now and none of them are elite. Our O-Line has been subpar for years. We don't have a QB. Our RBs are average, if that. Our hope at TE will be a rookie with a repaired ACL. It's the perfect time to rebuild the offense.
DT is still a force and worth the money, he just needs a QB who can get him the ball.

If anything I think John tries to rework his deal this year to get his number down but not sure if that hurts his cap.
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Is it worth it to pay DT $15.57M for one year if he doesn't want to restructure next year? No. Lowball him. Tell him to start eating meat again. And warm up the fax machine.
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If he doesn't want to restructure now, he won't want to restructure next year. Save yourself $12.5M and spend it on a younger #1 who wants to play with Kirk Cousins longterm.

Warm up the fax.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:50 PM   #46
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I still can't figure out why they gave away Ajayi.
He wasn't buying into the culture Gase is creating. At least, that's what I've heard anyways.
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It's easy if you break it down. Broncos basically have to decide if it's worth it to keep DT or if they can get somebody better for cheaper. This is how it breaks down:

1. Cut now to incur $3.067M dead money cap charge.
2. Restructure now (also would include $3.067M dead money charge).
2. Let him play play one more year at $15.567M cap charge, then try to restructure or cut.

Anybody our there younger and cheaper? Potential out is right now.
I think it's going to happen if he refuses to restructure.
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DT is still a force and worth the money, he just needs a QB who can get him the ball.

If anything I think John tries to rework his deal this year to get his number down but not sure if that hurts his cap.
He's good. I like DT. I want DT to retire a Bronco. I just don't want to pay him elite WR money if he's not going to be a Top 5ish WR.
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If DT doesn't restructure he's gone. He's not even close to worth his salary going forward. Cut bait and move on.
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:10 PM   #50
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I think it's going to happen if he refuses to restructure.
Good, then just move on now. Blow it up and rebuild the whole team. None of these guys are untouchable except Von Miller. And all can be cut or traded for comparatively low dead money hits.

DT only got 60 yards total in the playoffs during the SB50 run.
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