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Old 10-14-2018, 09:19 PM   #1
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Fun fact: The Denver Broncos have not had two consecutive losing seasons since 1971-1972.

There have been a few stretches of mediocrity and a few isolated losing seasons. Since their first post season appearance in 1977, every year where the team won less then seven games, they've followed it up by making the playoffs.

We could be looking at a stretch of futility the franchise hasn't seen in almost 50 years. The Broncos have been the top dogs in town the whole time, but they have been so consistently competitive that the loyalty of the fan base has never been tested over a long stretch of time. This is a different era then the early 70's. The Broncos were more or less the only team in town (There was an ABA team called the Denver Rockets that eventually became the Nuggets.) There was a lot less to occupy people's attention.

Though I should note, there was a time not too long ago when it appeared the Broncos were headed for two straight losing seasons and a potential run of futility. It was so bad, Tim Tebow became the starting quarterback. I think he might be available.
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:23 PM   #2
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Elway may not be " the guy " sadly.
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:27 PM   #3
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Elway may not be " the guy " sadly.
Oh gee, you think But he was a good QB!!
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I'm sure Elway is good at some position with Denver, but deciding on coaches and players Well that needs to go to someone else.
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We won a ****ing Super Bowl under him after how many ****ing years without one?

He's made ****ty QB decisions and very questionable coaching ones like letting Wade go and hiring VJ.

Without him we never land Peyton Manning.

We were a top ****ing team for his entire time with us.
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We won a ****ing Super Bowl under him after how many ****ing years without one?

He's made ****ty QB decisions and very questionable coaching ones like letting Wade go and hiring VJ.

Without him we never land Peyton Manning.

We were a top ****ing team for his entire time with us.
Well he canít draft for ****.
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Well he canít draft for ****.
this..... and that directly effects a teams future.
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:41 PM   #8
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:41 PM   #9
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Elway needs to be more committed and more resolved in his decisions.
Too much beating around the bush has allowed mediocre coaches to hang around too long.
Needs to make drastic decision in order to shake up the organization!
Btw, there’s no bigger Elway fan than I am, and I want him to be successful, but don’t let his cronies dictate who they bring in to coach this team!
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:41 PM   #10
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the elway criticism is warranted right now but its too shortsighted. he has taken this team to two super blwls and has managed the cap responsibly. thats a ton of success and should allow him more than enough leeway to fix it.
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the elway criticism is warranted right now but its too shortsighted. he has taken this team to two super blwls and has managed the cap responsibly. thats a ton of success and should allow him more than enough leeway to fix it.
I agree with you and nobody is going to argue the success Elway has had, however youíve gotta be able to make decisions that upholds that success and youíre also allowed to have a down year, but the trend for this franchise has to always be up...
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This has always been a proud franchise, we can't tolerate failure like others... This is why having 2 consecutive losing seasons suck.
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I think his impact on the draft would be seriously mitigated with a coach who wasn't just a yes-man and actually understood the game of football.

Several of his draftees/FA signings were a top tier defense under the tutalege of Wade Phillips...

I hate to say it, but I think the real test of how good Elways Drafts are, is how well would Jon Gruden do with this team against how well he's doing in Oakland right now...
Or really any top 10 coach in the league right now... how would they do with our roster? I'll bet we'd be in a much better position.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:30 PM   #14
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Tough to stay on top year after year. Missing on QB drafts prolly is the biggest problem
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:32 PM   #15
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Fans tend to see a player, coach and GM based on the last game that was played. Elway got us another ring. I really like this draft. If the next Coach and draft suck, then we turn the heat up on Elway. But the coach we hired before this one got us a Ring, so people need to calm down.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:41 PM   #16
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I would question the idea that anyone in this organization even has the actual authority to fire Elway. That could be the real problem. This team has no owner now, and according to the trust that governs it, the guy who’s the closest thing to a final decision maker basically has to fire himself to make that happen.

How likely is that?
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I don’t mind mistakes, I mind sticking to them. All gms will make mistakes it’s a silly argument to think otherwise. Elway needs to fix this hire
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:42 AM   #18
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I think we are finding out that just because you were a great QB doesn’t mean that you can draft one, evaluate them, or pick them up as free agents unless it’s a clear HOF candidate.

The continued missing through the draft process has been devastating to our roster. I would love to see “hit” / “miss” statistics from the draft comparing all teams. We have to be bottom cellar basement level.
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His problem is we donít develop young guys. You have to let them play. You canít keep benching them for losers who are barely serviceable but better in the short term and expect a young guy not to bust out. Elway doesnít have patience for that. He forgets he was a ****ty rookie and needed to play to improve I guess.

Then when the young guy plays well or even shows flashes he is either benched or traded or cut in preseason so that orton clones can get the starting job. Itís ****ing weird.
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I think we are finding out that just because you were a great QB doesnít mean that you can draft one, evaluate them, or pick them up as free agents unless itís a clear HOF candidate.

The continued missing through the draft process has been devastating to our roster. I would love to see ďhitĒ / ďmissĒ statistics from the draft comparing all teams. We have to be bottom cellar basement level.
We just had the best draft in the league.
Lindsay is undrafted, but is part of the Rookie class that's really good.
#1 Chubb showing up
#2 Sutton showing up
#3 Freeman showing up
#4 Yaidom (have to wait and see, but he should be growing now)
#5 Jewel doing well
# 6 Hamilton (seems like a good pick too)
#7 Fugamalli (IR from day one like butt's first year)

We didn't go for another Lynch project.
That year we whiffed.
This year we hit big in the draft.
And we don't really know if we have a QB on our roster as all we've truly seen is Case Keenum.
Swag has not really had his shot yet.

Besides climbing for Lynch....
Biggest FUps where hiring VJ & Keenum.
Thats not draft.

Even Siemian was a good draft pick since he played way higher than what was expected at his draft status. Isnt his fault we had absolutely no one else. Elway had Lynch and Sanchez as a vet and they both busted. Siemian being well drafted, stepped up and gave us one of the best situations any 7th rounder ever gave any team.

Thats one whiff on draft and one on FA with the C plan guy having to step up.
Going from Kubes to the great Radio probably killed Siemian's career.

Just think about this for a moment. Kubes stunk at O schemes, having a style that was way old.
Yet with Siemian he went 8-8.
The Vikings went deep into the playoffs with Keenum.

VJ had em both looking like their floor selves.
Ceiling isnt even seen,.
What causes two guys to regress?
Common denominator is shtty coaching.
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Fans tend to see a player, coach and GM based on the last game that was played. Elway got us another ring. I really like this draft. If the next Coach and draft suck, then we turn the heat up on Elway. But the coach we hired before this one got us a Ring, so people need to calm down.
I get it, but someone has to be accountable. The ownership situation probably doesn't help things I would guess. I have said it for a while, Joseph is a puppet. Pretty clear who's pulling the strings.

I honestly can't even blame Joseph at this point, I feel like he's just being directed without the option to question things. This whole thing is pretty ****ing great.

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Old 10-15-2018, 10:21 AM   #22
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I'm sure Elway is good at some position with Denver, but deciding on coaches and players Well that needs to go to someone else.
The dude built a historic offensive team and got to a Super Bowl. Saw that didn't work and built a historic defense and won a Super Bowl. His HOF QB retired and he didn't hit the lottery in finding his replacement immediately. Yes there have been mistakes but the good has far outweighed the bad.
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We just had the best draft in the league.
Lindsay is undrafted, but is part of the Rookie class that's really good.
#1 Chubb showing up
#2 Sutton showing up
#3 Freeman showing up
#4 Yaidom (have to wait and see, but he should be growing now)
#5 Jewel doing well
# 6 Hamilton (seems like a good pick too)
#7 Fugamalli (IR from day one like butt's first year)

We didn't go for another Lynch project.
That year we whiffed.
This year we hit big in the draft.
And we don't really know if we have a QB on our roster as all we've truly seen is Case Keenum.
Swag has not really had his shot yet.

Besides climbing for Lynch....
Biggest FUps where hiring VJ & Keenum.
Thats not draft.

Even Siemian was a good draft pick since he played way higher than what was expected at his draft status. Isnt his fault we had absolutely no one else. Elway had Lynch and Sanchez as a vet and they both busted. Siemian being well drafted, stepped up and gave us one of the best situations any 7th rounder ever gave any team.

Thats one whiff on draft and one on FA with the C plan guy having to step up.
Going from Kubes to the great Radio probably killed Siemian's career.

Just think about this for a moment. Kubes stunk at O schemes, having a style that was way old.
Yet with Siemian he went 8-8.
The Vikings went deep into the playoffs with Keenum.

VJ had em both looking like their floor selves.
Ceiling isnt even seen,.
What causes two guys to regress?
Common denominator is shtty coaching.
So you're going to ignore the past 5 drafts before this one?
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Biggest concern is this place is turning into anathema to good coaching, which is really a critical piece to long term success.

We've now got the reputation of a meddling GM who wants to pay peanuts for the privilege.

We're going to have trouble hiring top tier staff from here on out. And if we are lucky enough to have some develop in house, they'll be gone as soon as possible.
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His problem is we donít develop young guys. You have to let them play. You canít keep benching them for losers who are barely serviceable but better in the short term and expect a young guy not to bust out. Elway doesnít have patience for that. He forgets he was a ****ty rookie and needed to play to improve I guess.

Then when the young guy plays well or even shows flashes he is either benched or traded or cut in preseason so that orton clones can get the starting job. Itís ****ing weird.
Our success has come from FA signings for the most part...

but yes, Chad Kelly needs to be on the field so we can see if next years top pick is a QB, or BPA. I'd also get Sutton and the others young guys as much time as possible.... This season is sunk unless there is a drastic turnaround...
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