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Old 05-17-2018, 09:54 AM   #26
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First, when drinking whiskey, everything makes sense. Damn, I'm out. I may need to make a run to the store.

I've been watching a lot of tutorials on youtube, but then I got a great tip at one of the camera club meetings. A guy who is a videographer mentioned that with a public library card number, you can access Lynda.com tutorial videos for free. I haven't used Lynda.com in a few years, and I wasn't aware of this deal. Well it works! So I'm starting to get better info from there. You're right about youtube. It's a mixed bag. Some great stuff, some bad stuff. Watching the really good stuff is helpful and shows that in some ways it's like photography. Getting the right angles instead of pointing and shooting makes a big difference.
My wife's the family photographer and she's always picking and pointing out things the cinematographer has done or tried to do that shlubs like me don't bother to notice. She has a real eye for it, even though she's mostly only worked on the photography side. Obviously there's a lot of crossover between the two. At least until you get to the audio, like you're saying.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:58 PM   #27
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My wife's the family photographer and she's always picking and pointing out things the cinematographer has done or tried to do that shlubs like me don't bother to notice. She has a real eye for it, even though she's mostly only worked on the photography side. Obviously there's a lot of crossover between the two. At least until you get to the audio, like you're saying.
Yep. Before a month ago, I don't think that I had ever heard of B-roll footage. Now I'm noticing it when I watch TV shows and a lot of the good social media videos.

For the time being I'm going to focus on getting footage and editing. I just got Adobe Premiere and I need to learn how to use it. I'm going to play around with that this weekend. I'm going to have to tackle sound in the near future.
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Get an iPhone.
It took me forever to convince my wife that our new iphones had better resolution than our stupid digital camera.

Broads don't understand tech like us dudes do. I think it has something to do with being born without a dingus.
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It took me forever to convince my wife that our new iphones had better resolution than our stupid digital camera.

Broads don't understand tech like us dudes do. I think it has something to do with being born without a dingus.
Technical resolution (at least in modern devices) is one of the least important factors to actual image quality.
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Thanks guys. My iphone does seem to take some decent pictures. My only issue is when I want to use one as a wallpaper on my laptop they don't look that great. Maybe some software can clean them up a bit.
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Technical resolution (at least in modern devices) is one of the least important factors to actual image quality.
Our Digital camera is over 15 years old. I can't tell the difference between our Iphones and the dedicated camera plus the zoom is better and you can do more with the pictures than our old camera.

Not spending over $500 on something we dig out twice a year.
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Our Digital camera is over 15 years old. I can't tell the difference between our Iphones and the dedicated camera plus the zoom is better and you can do more with the pictures than our old camera.

Not spending over $500 on something we dig out twice a year.
Well I wouldn't call a 15-year old digital camera "modern" Those were the 3MP days.

But a 5 year old T3i is going to blow away even a 20MP cell phone camera in pretty much every way. Even with a cheapie 50mm fixed lens. It doesn't have to win on resolution. With cell-phone quality optics, raising the resolution is mostly gimmicky, although I guess it might help digital zoom not look as terrible.
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Thanks guys. My iphone does seem to take some decent pictures. My only issue is when I want to use one as a wallpaper on my laptop they don't look that great. Maybe some software can clean them up a bit.
Crap optics need great lighting. Shooting in the best light possible will be the biggest improvement you can make.
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I have a Nikon dslr, a mono pod and a tripod. What lens is the best for capturing his football games?
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I have a Nikon dslr, a mono pod and a tripod. What lens is the best for capturing his football games?
"The Best" for Nikon would probably be something like this one:



It's a 400mm/f2.8. The current version of it is being sold on B&H for $11,200. new. If you can stomach a lens for less than "the best", there's some options here: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/searc...rch=yes&sts=ps

The problem is, the NFL doesn't allow these types of lenses in the stadiums. I have seen some people sneaking in some bigger lenses, but I have no idea where they stashed them. I doubt they had media-type credentials, because they were up in Thunder Country (500's level) with me.
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"The Best" for Nikon would probably be something like this one:



It's a 400mm/f2.8. The current version of it is being sold on B&H for $11,200. new. If you can stomach a lens for less than "the best", there's some options here: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/searc...rch=yes&sts=ps

The problem is, the NFL doesn't allow these types of lenses in the stadiums. I have seen some people sneaking in some bigger lenses, but I have no idea where they stashed them. I doubt they had media-type credentials, because they were up in Thunder Country (500's level) with me.
For people who make a living doing sports photography, yes, this is the lens to get. I've shot with a 400 many times, and it's really awesome. I don't own one though because I don't do sports photography full time. I get by fine with a 70-200 2.8. You can probably sneak that into the stands, but I don't think you'll get great shots from that far away. Maybe in basketball if you're not up too high. But at a high school or youth game, where you can get on the sidelines, the 70-200 will get mostly what you need.
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For people who make a living doing sports photography, yes, this is the lens to get. I've shot with a 400 many times, and it's really awesome. I don't own one though because I don't do sports photography full time. I get by fine with a 70-200 2.8. You can probably sneak that into the stands, but I don't think you'll get great shots from that far away. Maybe in basketball if you're not up too high. But at a high school or youth game, where you can get on the sidelines, the 70-200 will get mostly what you need.
Thanks. It's for hs games, but dont seem to get close ups like we want and dont have 12 grand for the beast lens. How much for a 70-200? 1200?
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For people who make a living doing sports photography, yes, this is the lens to get. I've shot with a 400 many times, and it's really awesome. I don't own one though because I don't do sports photography full time. I get by fine with a 70-200 2.8. You can probably sneak that into the stands, but I don't think you'll get great shots from that far away. Maybe in basketball if you're not up too high. But at a high school or youth game, where you can get on the sidelines, the 70-200 will get mostly what you need.
Yeah, I used a broader example of, "The Best" as was asked, but that's why I added the link for 70-200s from a few manufacturers. For high school basketball and volleyball, I've seen a lot of recommendations for a 85mm/f1.8 with a crop sensor.
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Thanks. It's for hs games, but dont seem to get close ups like we want and dont have 12 grand for the beast lens. How much for a 70-200? 1200?
I'm not too familiar with Nikon equipment. According to the link, you're looking at $2700 or $3900. Or the Sigma or Tamron for $1200. You'll need a f/2.8 lens. I'm assuming that you'll be shooting high school games at night, and the typical high school lights are pretty bad.
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Yeah, I used a broader example of, "The Best" as was asked, but that's why I added the link for 70-200s from a few manufacturers. For high school basketball and volleyball, I've seen a lot of recommendations for a 85mm/f1.8 with a crop sensor.
When shooting basketball, I'll use either the 24-70 or the 70-200. I usually take both.
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When shooting basketball, I'll use either the 24-70 or the 70-200. I usually take both.
Nice! I can't keep the images clean when pushing higher ISOs, so having f1.8 in a prime would help me. (Constant budget issues...)
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