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Old 12-23-2016, 12:27 AM   #1
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Kroenke planned moving before arbitration with the city failed. Negotiations with city of St. Louis failed in Feb 2013.

Apparently Fish took the job knowing relocation involved.

The NFL encouraged the city of St. Louis to waste money on developing a new riverfront stadium to the tune of 15million. All while never planning on hearing the cities case.

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Also last weeks game, STL had better ratings then LA for the Rams.
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We've been talking about a St. Louis move since 2010.

Of course they'd put that on the table from the get go. Whether the initiative fell through or not, they'd warn about it.

Straight up, the City of St. Louis pissed away their opportunity with the Rams on more than one occasion. This was a power play of the highest magnitude. St. Louis didn't meet the initial demands in even a half serious attempt, so the Rams told the city they could go to hell.

The City's choice to turn down the Rams first proposal was sobering, but their counter proposal was HILLARIOUS. They thumbed their nose at the Rams, and the NFL showed St. Louis who their daddy is.

I have no problem with St. Louis wasting money on the stadium, they got what they deserved.
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We've been talking about a St. Louis move since 2010.

Of course they'd put that on the table from the get go. Whether the initiative fell through or not, they'd warn about it.

Straight up, the City of St. Louis pissed away their opportunity with the Rams on more than one occasion. This was a power play of the highest magnitude. St. Louis didn't meet the initial demands in even a half serious attempt, so the Rams told the city they could go to hell.

The City's choice to turn down the Rams first proposal was sobering, but their counter proposal was HILLARIOUS. They thumbed their nose at the Rams, and the NFL showed St. Louis who their daddy is.

I have no problem with St. Louis wasting money on the stadium, they got what they deserved.
He bought the team in 2010. Just shows the purchase of the team was not done in good faith with the city as well.

thats because the better option is to build an entirely new stadium, then spend 700m renovating an old one.

A 1 Billion dollar stadium on riverfront is not a serious attempt?

St Louis did get what they deserved. A business that no longer bleeds the state coffers for public funds. Not even a good business after all, unless you think the bunch of mediocre sports teams Kroenke owns, actually mean something to people.

Now LA can deal with that shady billionaire who kicks people off their homes and doesnt pay taxes. Or not. The ratings already show they have given up 15 weeks in.....

This is just future reference, for San Diego, Oakland, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, any city the NFL looks at next to rip off. Good thing they got idiotic fans to defend them against their own best interests when needed or the NFL would be in trouble.

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He bought the team in 2010. Just shows the purchase of the team was not done in good faith with the city as well.

thats because the better option is to build an entirely new stadium, then spend 700m renovating an old one.

A 1 Billion dollar stadium on riverfront is not a serious attempt?

St Louis did get what they deserved. A business that no longer bleeds the state coffers for public funds. Not even a good business after all, unless you think the bunch of mediocre sports teams Kroenke owns, actually mean something to people.

Now LA can deal with that shady billionaire who kicks people off their homes and doesnt pay taxes. Or not. The ratings already show they have given up 15 weeks in.....

This is just future reference, for San Diego, Oakland, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, any city the NFL looks at next to rip off. Good thing they got idiotic fans to defend them against their own best interests when needed or the NFL would be in trouble.
the biggest con going in pro sports is local politicians in cahoots with franchise owners working out deals to have taxpayers pay for expensive new stadiums in the name of fictional "economic growth" and "boosting of the local economy".

http://news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/...s-noll-073015/
http://reason.com/reasontv/2015/03/1...blic-investmen
https://psmag.com/the-impossible-fig...s-26041189ef3e
http://deadspin.com/no-one-wants-pub...eop-1748487455

some of these stadiums built in the past 20 years that are no longer considered sufficient for these teams and now they want even newer, more expensive ones (e.g. the Braves).

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/articl...dium-deal-ever

crooked politicians and billionaires being allowed to loot the public treasuries for their own personal benefit and enrichment. that's pretty much the definition of crony capitalism.
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He bought the team in 2010. Just shows the purchase of the team was not done in good faith with the city as well.

thats because the better option is to build an entirely new stadium, then spend 700m renovating an old one.

A 1 Billion dollar stadium on riverfront is not a serious attempt?

St Louis did get what they deserved. A business that no longer bleeds the state coffers for public funds. Not even a good business after all, unless you think the bunch of mediocre sports teams Kroenke owns, actually mean something to people.

Now LA can deal with that shady billionaire who kicks people off their homes and doesnt pay taxes. Or not. The ratings already show they have given up 15 weeks in.....

This is just future reference, for San Diego, Oakland, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, any city the NFL looks at next to rip off. Good thing they got idiotic fans to defend them against their own best interests when needed or the NFL would be in trouble.
The cities initial offer for that 1B stadium was a 1 dollar payment. 100 pennies for a 1 billion dollar site. It was a FU to the organization.

You can talk about cronyism and the leeching effect on cities all you want, but the NFL will continue to be around for a very long time, and the NFL populace of St. Louis lost a franchise, and people committed suicide because of it.

If it's so terrible and unsustainable for cities, why haven't most of the major cities with Pro Sports teams been fiscally insolvent to a point of bankruptcy recently? The only city that HAS been fiscally insolvent has been Detroit, and their fiscal insolvency has everything to do with the auto industry, nothing to do with the Tigers and Lions, and Pistons (oh my).

Sure stadiums aren't great for cities, but they aren't terrible either. They are a business that brings jobs, and economic churn to a population center.
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Is this supposed to be a revelation? Everyone knew that STL was always a prime candidate to move to LA. Espeically after Minnesota got their new stadium deal.
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We've been talking about a St. Louis move since 2010.

Of course they'd put that on the table from the get go. Whether the initiative fell through or not, they'd warn about it.

Straight up, the City of St. Louis pissed away their opportunity with the Rams on more than one occasion. This was a power play of the highest magnitude. St. Louis didn't meet the initial demands in even a half serious attempt, so the Rams told the city they could go to hell.

The City's choice to turn down the Rams first proposal was sobering, but their counter proposal was HILLARIOUS. They thumbed their nose at the Rams, and the NFL showed St. Louis who their daddy is.

I have no problem with St. Louis wasting money on the stadium, they got what they deserved.
More cities need to refuse to be held hostage by the NFL. The Rams will fail in L.A. and in 10 years will be wishing they would have stayed in ST. Louis
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The crying will never stop.
This Falco guy has the weirdest obsession with Kroenke and the Rams.
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More cities need to refuse to be held hostage by the NFL. The Rams will fail in L.A. and in 10 years will be wishing they would have stayed in ST. Louis
The Rams are going to be printing money in LA. They won't have any problem filling up the new stadium or selling the luxury boxes.
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This Falco guy has the weirdest obsession with Kroenke and the Rams.
He's from St. Louis and is pretty butt hurt that the team left.
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I don't see the problem with this. What's the issue?

It's Kroenke's team, not the city's. They aren't entitled to anything. It's unfortunate that LA was the beneficiary, but the owner should do whatever maximizes his/her investment.
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I don't see the problem with this. What's the issue?

It's Kroenke's team, not the city's. They aren't entitled to anything. It's unfortunate that LA was the beneficiary, but the owner should do whatever maximizes his/her investment.
Is there anything you like about LA?
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I don't see the problem with this. What's the issue?

It's Kroenke's team, not the city's. They aren't entitled to anything. It's unfortunate that LA was the beneficiary, but the owner should do whatever maximizes his/her investment.
Stop talking sense SC.
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Is there anything you like about LA?
Everything but the sports teams and their "fans"
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This Falco guy has the weirdest obsession with Kroenke and the Rams.
Ironic he is pissed off at LA Rams and their fans for taking his team in St. Louis. The same city that took the Rams from those same LA fans.
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Hmm, do I need to post the attendance, again, for your White Sox before and after their WS win? You have no room to talk about La/OC fans when your own tree branches teams across America , the one in Chicago, that is a huge bandwagon team compared to the well attended teams of the Dodgers and Angels. Over 3 million for both teams and Angels have not been a postseason team in years.
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Why will they fail?
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Hmm, do I need to post the attendance, again, for your White Sox before and after their WS win? You have no room to talk about La/OC fans when your own tree branches teams across America , the one in Chicago, that is a huge bandwagon team compared to the well attended teams of the Dodgers and Angels. Over 3 million for both teams and Angels have not been a postseason team in years.
People don't seem to understand that all of the professional sports teams here, and the two college football teams, are all doing well attendance wise. But a narrative that LA is a bandwagon city was created a while back. As untrue as it is, people are just going to keep saying it. So the common thought will never change.

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Perception says that any LA NFL team will fail. Reality says that they are going to make a boatload of money.
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Looks like the Chargers are taking more steps to move to LA. They just leased a new headquarters and training facility in Costa Mesa (Orange County). That's closer to LA than San Diego. The report said that they can get out of the lease if they decide to stay in San Diego.

Seems better with just one team here.
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Looks like the Chargers are taking more steps to move to LA. They just leased a new headquarters and training facility in Costa Mesa (Orange County). That's closer to LA than San Diego. The report said that they can get out of the lease if they decide to stay in San Diego.

Seems better with just one team here.
I happened to be on Harbor Blvd near the 405 and there is a Arizona State Facility there that looks like a practice field. It seems ASU is sick of practicing in the Arizona heat and recruiting is big in SoCal. I wonder if Chargers looking at the same spot if it could be shared?
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Hmm, do I need to post the attendance, again, for your White Sox before and after their WS win? You have no room to talk about La/OC fans when your own tree branches teams across America , the one in Chicago, that is a huge bandwagon team compared to the well attended teams of the Dodgers and Angels. Over 3 million for both teams and Angels have not been a postseason team in years.
The OC can go **** its own face too, John.

I forgot to point that out earlier.
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I forgot to point that out earlier.
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I forgot to point that out earlier.
You mean the place that supports it's teams even when they aren't making the playoffs unlike South Chicago?
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Perception says that any LA NFL team will fail. Reality says that they are going to make a boatload of money.
People say that all the time but can never seem to come up with a legit reason why.

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