You could make the argument that Manning has weakest arm in the league. - The Orange Mane

Bronco Rob · 10-09-2013, 06:34 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200..._atl_rosenthal

Guess Who · 10-09-2013, 06:42 PM

I don't think there is any doubt is there? Who has a weaker arm?

I think we can say arm strength is important if you are hesitant on your throws and you throw the ball late. If you know where you want to throw it and throw it on time and have accuracy you do not need a strong arm.

Agamemnon · 10-09-2013, 06:46 PM

Lack of arm strength results in an inability to push the ball down the field or hit tight windows. Manning exhibits none of these issues. And besides, his passes have always "fluttered".

rolandftw · 10-09-2013, 06:50 PM

I think he has a stronger arm then a number of QB's. He's not Aaron Rodgers, but he's not Alex Smith either.

BroncosfanGuy · 10-09-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Guess Who

Who has a weaker arm?

Alex Smith

Guess Who · 10-09-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncosfanGuy

Alex Smith

I have no idea.

strafen · 10-09-2013, 06:57 PM

Is Kyle Orton still in the league?

gyldenlove · 10-09-2013, 07:01 PM

Throwing a tight spiral on a deep ball is not particularly about arm strength. The two give aways when it comes to limited arm strength is upper body rotation on deep balls and elevation on intermediate and deep throws.

Jay Cutler and Mike Vick, two guys with arm strength to spare can throw almost perfectly level fast balls 15-20 yards down field, that is because they have a ton of strength behind their throws. If your intermediate passes tend to need to get air under them that is limited arm strength. Drew Brees throws a fantastic football, but he can't zip the ball 20 yards without needing to give it a bit of elevation, the same is true for Philip Rivers and Tony Romo and Peyton Manning.

The other tell-tale sign of poor arm strength is a hurling motion on deep balls, Kyle Orton did that a lot when he went downtown, he would rotate his upper body during the throw and almost throw his shoulder into the action - it generates more power on the ball but it does lose you a lot of accuracy.

Manning doesn't have the laser rocket arm, but he is by no means the weakest QB in the league, the wobbly spiral on his deep passes has more to do with touch and finger placement when uncorking it, which could still be a result of nerve damage and loss of tactile response.

Guess Who · 10-09-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Throwing a tight spiral on a deep ball is not particularly about arm strength. The two give aways when it comes to limited arm strength is upper body rotation on deep balls and elevation on intermediate and deep throws.

Jay Cutler and Mike Vick, two guys with arm strength to spare can throw almost perfectly level fast balls 15-20 yards down field, that is because they have a ton of strength behind their throws. If your intermediate passes tend to need to get air under them that is limited arm strength. Drew Brees throws a fantastic football, but he can't zip the ball 20 yards without needing to give it a bit of elevation, the same is true for Philip Rivers and Tony Romo and Peyton Manning.

The other tell-tale sign of poor arm strength is a hurling motion on deep balls, Kyle Orton did that a lot when he went downtown, he would rotate his upper body during the throw and almost throw his shoulder into the action - it generates more power on the ball but it does lose you a lot of accuracy.

Manning doesn't have the laser rocket arm, but he is by no means the weakest QB in the league, the wobbly spiral on his deep passes has more to do with touch and finger placement when uncorking it, which could still be a result of nerve damage and loss of tactile response.

The article said weakest arm of any starting QB. If he doesn't have the weakest than he is in the top 3, but like I said who cares. He's the GOAT weak arm and all.

gunns · 10-09-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by strafen

Is Kyle Orton still in the league?

Yep, crying in Dallas wearing a pretend number 18.

As far as Peyton's arm strength I DON'T CARE.

Punisher · 10-09-2013, 07:25 PM

Cutler has a stronger arm than Peyton. But who's the better QB? End thread

Finger Roll · 10-09-2013, 07:26 PM

Ponder has a weaker arm.

Br0nc0Buster · 10-09-2013, 07:27 PM

It doesnt matter where he ranks compared other players

What matters is does he have enough strength left so that he can still make all the throws

I would have to say the answer to that is yes
He doesnt have a cannon, but I dont see him struggling to push the ball down the field
That 50 yard pass to Decker against the eagles tells me he still has has enough left to do damage

my guess is this guy is saying that because of the way Manning's passes "flutter" or "wobble"

They have always done that

Archer81 · 10-09-2013, 07:30 PM

370+ ypg, 4 tds passing a game...

Think his arm is ok.

Finger Roll · 10-09-2013, 07:33 PM

And Montana had a below average arm and wasn't so bad

maven · 10-09-2013, 07:38 PM

If Peyton's arm turns into Chad Pennington, it's time to hang 'em up.

Drunken.Broncoholic2 · 10-09-2013, 07:40 PM

Alex smith can't make the throws outside. Manning can.

jerseyguy4 · 10-09-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gyldenlove

...the wobbly spiral on his deep passes has more to do with touch and finger placement when uncorking it, which could still be a result of nerve damage and loss of tactile response.

As others said, he has always thrown like that.

Oddly, it is one of the few things Peyton never corrected over the course of his career. Early on, Peyton was criticized for being jumpy in the pocket...later corrected. Criticized for forcing balls....later corrected. His handoffs and playactions have always gotten better over the years. Reading of defenses, audibles, lack of need for a huddle, and on and on. But the wobbly spiral remains...

Archer81 · 10-09-2013, 07:52 PM

Eli Manning does not exactly throw the prettiest spirals either. Might just be the way they both throw the ball.

Shananahan · 10-09-2013, 07:54 PM

I'd almost prefer Manning did have the weakest arm in the league. No half measures this year.

Drunken.Broncoholic2 · 10-09-2013, 07:57 PM

Jamarcus Russell had a strong tight spiral throw. Lot of good that did

maven · 10-09-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Rob

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200..._atl_rosenthal

Also, on your link. You click Peyton Manning's FedEx air and ground players of the week. Peyton Manning's first throw to Decker isn't weak sauce.

broncosteven · 10-09-2013, 08:03 PM

Manning's ball placement is what amazes me. That and how he gets the ball to guys in stride downfield.

I remember watching Plummer chucking the ball up and Lelie trying to adjust to it or flat out having to stop to catch it like he was playing center field. I remember reading Sheflers mailbag where people were writing in "Why can't Plummer hit Lelie in stride?". Manning is getting the ball DOWNFIELD to guys who are still able to catch and run.

Then there are the plays like Welkers TD last week where Wes spun 180 degrees and caught the ball in the endzone away from where the guy covering him was breaking. It was like both knew he was going to break to Wes's right shoulder so Manning threw it to the left and Wes made a great move to get to it. The thing about that play was that there was a safety making a late break on the ball once he saw it develop and if the ball sailed or wasn't thrown fast enough it would have have been a pick 6 going the other way.

I think Manning is a superior QB because he uses his lower body. I have never seen a QB with such attention to his foot work. Getting his feet set properly allows him to rotate his hips and use his entire body to throw. This is one thing Cutler has yet to realize. Cutler still relies on his pure arm strength to throw and when his feet are not set he doesn't get accurate, consistent velocity on the ball which leads to an INT. Plummer was another one who never worked on his footwork or lower body. This is so frustrating because these guys have so much potential but they are content with their ability and not driven to get any better.

Manning does not have the Cannon Elway did, I bet that is another reason he spends so much time on basic fundamentals. He doesn't take his skill set for granted and he knows what it takes to play at the level he does. If Peyton didn't go into football I bet he would have been a doctor, probably a brain surgeon, he is that kind of A type personality where even the perfection he attains is not good enough and he knows because he is human he will never be perfect and therefor he has to constantly work to get better.

What a great signing by Elway! so glad they were able to regenerate his nerve in his neck and he was able to play. I wish I could get what ever treatment he did!

Agamemnon · 10-09-2013, 08:06 PM

Go back and watch highlights of him from five years ago. He looks pretty much the same, only he is now even better.

broncosteven · 10-09-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Go back and watch highlights of him from five years ago. He looks pretty much the same, only he is now even better.

Because of his work with his fundamentals and ball placement.

I bet because he couldn't work on throwing for most of the year he was recovering he was still working on his feet and hips.

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10-09-2013, 06:42 PM	#2
Guess Who Awesomeness Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 16,684 Adopt-a-Bronco: PAIN	I don't think there is any doubt is there? Who has a weaker arm? I think we can say arm strength is important if you are hesitant on your throws and you throw the ball late. If you know where you want to throw it and throw it on time and have accuracy you do not need a strong arm.

10-09-2013, 06:46 PM	#3
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Elway needs to go to AA. Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 32,006 Adopt-a-Bronco: D. Henderson	Lack of arm strength results in an inability to push the ball down the field or hit tight windows. Manning exhibits none of these issues. And besides, his passes have always "fluttered".

10-09-2013, 06:50 PM	#4
rolandftw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,612 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think he has a stronger arm then a number of QB's. He's not Aaron Rodgers, but he's not Alex Smith either.

10-09-2013, 06:57 PM	#7
strafen Karma Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 16,161 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elway	Is Kyle Orton still in the league?

10-09-2013, 07:01 PM	#8
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Næstved, DK Posts: 12,259 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Throwing a tight spiral on a deep ball is not particularly about arm strength. The two give aways when it comes to limited arm strength is upper body rotation on deep balls and elevation on intermediate and deep throws. Jay Cutler and Mike Vick, two guys with arm strength to spare can throw almost perfectly level fast balls 15-20 yards down field, that is because they have a ton of strength behind their throws. If your intermediate passes tend to need to get air under them that is limited arm strength. Drew Brees throws a fantastic football, but he can't zip the ball 20 yards without needing to give it a bit of elevation, the same is true for Philip Rivers and Tony Romo and Peyton Manning. The other tell-tale sign of poor arm strength is a hurling motion on deep balls, Kyle Orton did that a lot when he went downtown, he would rotate his upper body during the throw and almost throw his shoulder into the action - it generates more power on the ball but it does lose you a lot of accuracy. Manning doesn't have the laser rocket arm, but he is by no means the weakest QB in the league, the wobbly spiral on his deep passes has more to do with touch and finger placement when uncorking it, which could still be a result of nerve damage and loss of tactile response.

10-09-2013, 07:25 PM	#11
Punisher ® Paxton Leaf- Ryan Lynch 97,98,2015 Champs WOOOOOOOOOOOO!® Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Broncos Film Room Posts: 10,156 Adopt-a-Bronco: I4jelway7	Cutler has a stronger arm than Peyton. But who's the better QB? End thread

10-09-2013, 07:26 PM	#12
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,021	Ponder has a weaker arm.

10-09-2013, 07:27 PM	#13
Br0nc0Buster You honeydicking? Super Bowl 50 Champs Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 7,423	It doesnt matter where he ranks compared other players What matters is does he have enough strength left so that he can still make all the throws I would have to say the answer to that is yes He doesnt have a cannon, but I dont see him struggling to push the ball down the field That 50 yard pass to Decker against the eagles tells me he still has has enough left to do damage my guess is this guy is saying that because of the way Manning's passes "flutter" or "wobble" They have always done that

10-09-2013, 07:30 PM	#14
Archer81 Optimum Homo Tactical Neck. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 26,838	370+ ypg, 4 tds passing a game... Think his arm is ok.

10-09-2013, 07:33 PM	#15
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,021	And Montana had a below average arm and wasn't so bad

10-09-2013, 07:38 PM	#16
maven #happy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 13,582	If Peyton's arm turns into Chad Pennington, it's time to hang 'em up.

10-09-2013, 07:40 PM	#17
Drunken.Broncoholic2 Pickled in orange & blue OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Carmel, Ca Posts: 29,524 Adopt-a-Bronco: CourtlandSutton	Alex smith can't make the throws outside. Manning can.

10-09-2013, 07:52 PM	#19
Archer81 Optimum Homo Tactical Neck. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 26,838	Eli Manning does not exactly throw the prettiest spirals either. Might just be the way they both throw the ball.

10-09-2013, 07:54 PM	#20
Shananahan #snakelife BLASTED Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 4,315	I'd almost prefer Manning did have the weakest arm in the league. No half measures this year.

10-09-2013, 07:57 PM	#21
Drunken.Broncoholic2 Pickled in orange & blue OnLyNiNjAsCaNrEaDtHiSQuOtE Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Carmel, Ca Posts: 29,524 Adopt-a-Bronco: CourtlandSutton	Jamarcus Russell had a strong tight spiral throw. Lot of good that did

10-09-2013, 08:03 PM	#23
broncosteven Kranz Dictum DJ Kranz spinning tunes Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 52,724 Adopt-a-Bronco: Trevor Penrose	Manning's ball placement is what amazes me. That and how he gets the ball to guys in stride downfield. I remember watching Plummer chucking the ball up and Lelie trying to adjust to it or flat out having to stop to catch it like he was playing center field. I remember reading Sheflers mailbag where people were writing in "Why can't Plummer hit Lelie in stride?". Manning is getting the ball DOWNFIELD to guys who are still able to catch and run. Then there are the plays like Welkers TD last week where Wes spun 180 degrees and caught the ball in the endzone away from where the guy covering him was breaking. It was like both knew he was going to break to Wes's right shoulder so Manning threw it to the left and Wes made a great move to get to it. The thing about that play was that there was a safety making a late break on the ball once he saw it develop and if the ball sailed or wasn't thrown fast enough it would have have been a pick 6 going the other way. I think Manning is a superior QB because he uses his lower body. I have never seen a QB with such attention to his foot work. Getting his feet set properly allows him to rotate his hips and use his entire body to throw. This is one thing Cutler has yet to realize. Cutler still relies on his pure arm strength to throw and when his feet are not set he doesn't get accurate, consistent velocity on the ball which leads to an INT. Plummer was another one who never worked on his footwork or lower body. This is so frustrating because these guys have so much potential but they are content with their ability and not driven to get any better. Manning does not have the Cannon Elway did, I bet that is another reason he spends so much time on basic fundamentals. He doesn't take his skill set for granted and he knows what it takes to play at the level he does. If Peyton didn't go into football I bet he would have been a doctor, probably a brain surgeon, he is that kind of A type personality where even the perfection he attains is not good enough and he knows because he is human he will never be perfect and therefor he has to constantly work to get better. What a great signing by Elway! so glad they were able to regenerate his nerve in his neck and he was able to play. I wish I could get what ever treatment he did!

10-09-2013, 08:06 PM	#24
Agamemnon Ring of Famer Elway needs to go to AA. Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 32,006 Adopt-a-Bronco: D. Henderson	Go back and watch highlights of him from five years ago. He looks pretty much the same, only he is now even better.