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Old 08-03-2015, 03:41 PM   #13801
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Stanford is doing similar things with their players in college football. Really helped Kevin Hogan last season and should help him progress further this year.
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Old 08-03-2015, 03:52 PM   #13802
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According to some, he is just showing his love for the game and that fire makes him better than DT.
Dez is better than DT but thats not why.
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Old 08-03-2015, 05:50 PM   #13803
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Dez is better than DT but thats not why.
what makes Dez the better WR?
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:39 PM   #13804
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Dez is better than DT but thats not why.
No he's not. Dez has more TD's but if DT is playing with a different set of QB's to start his career those numbers are far more even.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:40 PM   #13805
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what makes Dez the better WR?
People say that nonsense because he attacks the ball in the air and fights the defender for the ball.
He looks more aggressive so people assume he is better.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:46 PM   #13806
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No he's not. Dez has more TD's but if DT is playing with a different set of QB's to start his career those numbers are far more even.

I'm willing to bet Dez is also targeted more than DT, especially in the redzone.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:53 PM   #13807
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I'm willing to bet Dez is also targeted more than DT, especially in the redzone.
608 career targets and 381 receptions to DT's 575 targets and 351 receptions.

First two seasons of their careers, Dez smokes DT in targets, yards, receptions and TD's.
But DT was playing with Orton and Tebow then. Dez has always had Romo.
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what makes Dez the better WR?
Better ball skills, better deep threat, doesnt struggle against press coverage as much as DT does.

But can really go either way with both of them.
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:39 PM   #13809
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People say that nonsense because he attacks the ball in the air and fights the defender for the ball.
He looks more aggressive so people assume he is better.
Dez is better and hasn't been taken out of games like DT. He has the jump ball game that DT lacks which should be a part of his game for his size.
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:44 PM   #13810
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DT doesn't smack his mom and didn't need to be babysitted by the Broncos
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To be honest that wasn't really an option for him.
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:48 PM   #13812
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Better ball skills, better deep threat, doesnt struggle against press coverage as much as DT does.

But can really go either way with both of them.
I disagree on the bolded, but yeah I think it's a tossup as far as the better WR. Bryant is a more physical, tenacious WR, but DT is far better in the open field. How are Bryant's ball skills any better than DT's? Does Bryant make the 1-handed catch against KC? or the catch DT made against Seattle last year? Ball skills are a wash as is the deep threat
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:57 PM   #13813
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To be honest that wasn't really an option for him.
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Old 08-03-2015, 08:15 PM   #13814
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Dez is better and hasn't been taken out of games like DT. He has the jump ball game that DT lacks which should be a part of his game for his size.

Say what? You do realize DT averaged 12.3 and 18.7 more yards per game in 2013 and 2014 respectively.
More yards, more receptions, more yards per game over the past 3 seasons than Dez but DT gets taken out of the game and Dez does not?

The past 3 seasons.
DT 467 targets 4,483 yards, Dez 443 targets 3,935 yards. That's a difference of 24 targets for 548 yards.
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Say what? You do realize DT averaged 12.3 and 18.7 more yards per game in 2013 and 2014 respectively.
More yards, more receptions, more yards per game over the past 3 seasons than Dez but DT gets taken out of the game and Dez does not?

The past 3 seasons.
DT 467 targets 4,483 yards, Dez 443 targets 3,935 yards. That's a difference of 24 targets for 548 yards.
Well Dez does play in an offense that runs the ball more than passing. Nothing wins a discussion like stats. I personally think Dez is a better player. I have seen DT get his lunch handed to him by Vontae Davis and other big physical CB's.
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Old 08-03-2015, 08:30 PM   #13816
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Well Dez does play in an offense that runs the ball more than passing.
I didn't think this was true, but it is. One of only four teams to run more than pass.

http://www.fftoday.com/stats/14_run_pass_ratios.html
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Old 08-03-2015, 08:37 PM   #13817
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Well Dez does play in an offense that runs the ball more than passing. Nothing wins a discussion like stats. I personally think Dez is a better player. I have seen DT get his lunch handed to him by Vontae Davis and other big physical CB's.
I am aware of the Cowboys rushing attack and offensive line. I am saying, if Dez never gets taken out of a game but DT does, then with the rushing attack the Cowboys have, based on the numbers the gap should be far wider in Dez's favor and not DT's.

I understand that the Broncos offense is predicted on timing and rhythm. You disrupt the rhythm or throw off the timing and Manning tends to struggle making throws.
The Cowboys offense is predicated on dominating the point of attack and forcing the defense to bring a safety down to help stop the run and open up the middle of the field.

2 different offensive philosophies, but production it production. The Broncos passed for

Dallas passed for 771 yards fewer than the Broncos, the Cowboys rushed for 569 more yards than the Broncos.
Both had top 5 offenses in terms of total yards.
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I am aware of the Cowboys rushing attack and offensive line. I am saying, if Dez never gets taken out of a game but DT does, then with the rushing attack the Cowboys have, based on the numbers the gap should be far wider in Dez's favor and not DT's.

I understand that the Broncos offense is predicted on timing and rhythm. You disrupt the rhythm or throw off the timing and Manning tends to struggle making throws.
The Cowboys offense is predicated on dominating the point of attack and forcing the defense to bring a safety down to help stop the run and open up the middle of the field.

2 different offensive philosophies, but production it production. The Broncos passed for

Dallas passed for 771 yards fewer than the Broncos, the Cowboys rushed for 569 more yards than the Broncos.
Both had top 5 offenses in terms of total yards.
Who cares about the stats you post as it doesn't change my opinion. I have made same statements last year. I PERSONALLY think Dez is a better WR. You could cherry pick Antonio Brown into the mix too and throw his stats up there.
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Cowboys official twitter account posted a GIF of the fight. Don't understand why they would tweet it.
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Old 08-04-2015, 12:13 AM   #13821
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Who cares about the stats you post as it doesn't change my opinion. I have made same statements last year. I PERSONALLY think Dez is a better WR. You could cherry pick Antonio Brown into the mix too and throw his stats up there.
Antonio Brown is one of the best WR's in the NFL, you could certainly make the argument that he is top 3-5 and his stats certainly back that up.
Of course the lack of TD production would kill the argument for most.

Dez's style is more appealing for some but he is not a better player. But as you said, Dez is superior in your opinion and nothing will change that so any argument to the contrary is moot.
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Who cares about the stats you post as it doesn't change my opinion. I have made same statements last year. I PERSONALLY think Dez is a better WR. You could cherry pick Antonio Brown into the mix too and throw his stats up there.
I know Scribe and DB2 will give me hell, but I agree that Dez is the better player. We can nitpick stats all we want, but I just think Dez is a better receiver. Put stats and all that out there, but Romo is no Manning, and the Cowboys prefer to run the ball. Both excellent players and will break records, but if you put a gun to my head I'll roll with Bryant.

Love that we have DT on our team, he's one of the best and I love the guy.
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I know Scribe and DB2 will give me hell, but I agree that Dez is the better player. We can nitpick stats all we want, but I just think Dez is a better receiver. Put stats and all that out there, but Romo is no Manning, and the Cowboys prefer to run the ball. Both excellent players and will break records, but if you put a gun to my head I'll roll with Bryant.

Love that we have DT on our team, he's one of the best and I love the guy.
Not gonna give you hell. I just don't agree. And this is coming from a person who was livid when we passed on Dez to take DT. I had a fan hard on for Dez that draft.

Now outside of last season with DT getting 184 targets their numbers are about the same each season so despite the Cowboys having a primary rushing offense they get roughly the same amount of targets.
The only time Dez has outshone DT in stats was during their first two seasons.

I think both are top 5 WR's in the NFL but I think DT is in the #2-3 range and Dez is in the #4-5 range. Plus DT comes without the headaches off the field.
I know it's a eye test for most who say Dez is better but I don't agree.

This is akin to arguing Justin Houston vs Von Miller to me.
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