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Old 09-08-2015, 06:45 PM   #14851
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Eh. 34 year old RB who hasn't done much the last few years. I guess he might be a good guy to share some carries, but I don't think he's much of a game changer at this point. It is interesting that the Pats also contacted him when he was released.
I'm thinking Jackson and Lynch have about 500 touches left in them, and they're both good backs if used in tandem. Better than Micheal and Lynch, or Turbin and Lynch. We shall see.
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no, he's not even the best S on his own team. and a healthy Berry is better S than Kam
Just curious, how did you grade this to come out with that outcome?
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Old 09-08-2015, 06:53 PM   #14853
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Just curious, how did you grade this to come out with that outcome?
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Old 09-08-2015, 07:00 PM   #14854
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Just curious, how did you grade this to come out with that outcome?
Some people, you know...watch football.

Berry plays box safety
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He does a lot more than Kam does....and can do a lot more than asked of him, as well.
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It's just crazy the jump KC had in total pass defense missing Berry. 25th to 2nd. Makes you wonder how good Ron Parker is in this argument.
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Old 09-08-2015, 07:28 PM   #14856
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Interesting I never thought it was even debatable that Thomas was the best free safety in the NFL and Chancellor was the best Strong safety until I came here guess I need to watch more games I only ever heard of Berry when he got cancer.

I remember last year many guys here thought Peterson was better than Sherman. Do any of you still feel that way? Just curious I thought Revis was about washed up at the start of last year so I'm no expert either.
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Old 09-08-2015, 07:36 PM   #14857
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Berry is a good safety. I'm just getting hung up on how he is better than Cam and it's not even close.

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Old 09-08-2015, 07:39 PM   #14858
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Day late and probably MOON but longtime colt reggie wayne asked to be released by the pats two weeks after signing a year contract and days after final cuts were made. It's great to see players with some integrity.

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Old 09-08-2015, 07:41 PM   #14859
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Interesting I never thought it was even debatable that Thomas was the best free safety in the NFL and Chancellor was the best Strong safety until I came here guess I need to watch more games I only ever heard of Berry when he got cancer.

I remember last year many guys here thought Peterson was better than Sherman. Do any of you still feel that way? Just curious I thought Revis was about washed up at the start of last year so I'm no expert either.
I agree with you on the safeties, although I really like Weddle but As far as CB's go Harris leapfrog Sherman and by default leapfrogged revis last year too according to me, most of the mane, and PFF.
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my post to DB was obviously in jest, but Thomas is the best S in the league FS or SS. His play, his contract and his coach basically echo those sentiments.

As far as Berry/Kam, I wasn't one who said it wasn't close. However, I did say a healty Berry is better and I think it's true because he's better in coverage, better deep and can still play in the box. Kam's the best in-the-box S in the league and he's good in coverage. However, I think Berry is *better* in coverage and more is required of Berry as Kam has more clearance to play a pseudo rover role over the middle of the field while Thomas is the eraser.

Both are probably top-5 S, but Berry's ability to play deep or in the box at a high level makes him more valuable imo.
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Maybe Kansas City and Seattle will find a way to swap them so we can know for sure!
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Old 09-08-2015, 08:07 PM   #14863
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Day late and probably MOON but longtime colt reggie wayne asked to be released by the pats two weeks after signing a year contract and days after final cuts were made. It's great to see players with some integrity.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...gland-patriots
Likely probably more because he is aged and was running the wrong routes, had no steps left to lose and knew it was time to call it a career. Plus I think he still got a $450k signing bonus out of them.

Would be nice if it were because of integrity but if that were the case he wouldn't have gone there at all.
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Old 09-08-2015, 09:09 PM   #14864
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Berry or Kam is just one person's opinion. I feel Berry can do more but Kam makes a lot more big time plays in clutch situations. I personally would take Kam. Berry probably has a longer career.
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Old 09-08-2015, 09:16 PM   #14865
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I'm thinking Jackson and Lynch have about 500 touches left in them, and they're both good backs if used in tandem. Better than Micheal and Lynch, or Turbin and Lynch. We shall see.
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Old 09-09-2015, 06:32 AM   #14866
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I agree with you on the safeties, although I really like Weddle but As far as CB's go Harris leapfrog Sherman and by default leapfrogged revis last year too according to me, most of the mane, and PFF.
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:19 AM   #14867
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The biggest problem with using PFF as an indicator is that it simply grades execution and on an extremely subjective level. Guys like Sherman and Harris were not asked to do all the different things that Revis and Peterson were for their teams. The same applies to the safeties.

As with all these arguments, context is King and most people lack the technical knowledge of football to understand the differences. Sherman is a complete Badass playing a simple cover 3 scheme. Make him cover the Slot or follow the other teams best WR in any of the formations and his performance numbers will likely not be so impressive.

The same with the safeties. Earl Thomas range is what makes that Cover 3 in SEA so dominant. The other guys can simply trust him to cover over the top and do their jobs and be aggressive in pass coverage. Berry's scheme and players under Sutton are not set up as well to take advantage of his talents as SEA is in letting Thomas do his Job. In short, SEA has constructed a very simple Defense, not unlike the Cover 2 used to be, that has the perfect players playing the roles they excel at. The length and speed of SEA is why the are hard to beat, and they are also damn physical up front against the run. That is how a dominant defense works. They play to the strengths of the players through scheme, and cover any weaknesses with simplicity and toughness.
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The biggest problem with using PFF as an indicator is that it simply grades execution and on an extremely subjective level. Guys like Sherman and Harris were not asked to do all the different things that Revis and Peterson were for their teams. The same applies to the safeties.

As with all these arguments, context is King and most people lack the technical knowledge of football to understand the differences. Sherman is a complete Badass playing a simple cover 3 scheme. Make him cover the Slot or follow the other teams best WR in any of the formations and his performance numbers will likely not be so impressive.

The same with the safeties. Earl Thomas range is what makes that Cover 3 in SEA so dominant. The other guys can simply trust him to cover over the top and do their jobs and be aggressive in pass coverage. Berry's scheme and players under Sutton are not set up as well to take advantage of his talents as SEA is in letting Thomas do his Job. In short, SEA has constructed a very simple Defense, not unlike the Cover 2 used to be, that has the perfect players playing the roles they excel at. The length and speed of SEA is why the are hard to beat, and they are also damn physical up front against the run. That is how a dominant defense works. They play to the strengths of the players through scheme, and cover any weaknesses with simplicity and toughness.
Totally agree on Berry.

I dispise the fact they have used him mostly as a box safety.

He should have been used as a physical FS like Brian Dawkins in Philly/Denver was.

By using him the way they have, they totally neutralized his 4.4 speed, open field tackling ability and his opportunities to take the ball away.

I'll always say that Eric Berrys career was sent on a ban path once Monte Kiffen took over the defense at Tennesseee and made Berry a box safety when he was an unbelievable playmaker until that point.
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It's just crazy the jump KC had in total pass defense missing Berry. 25th to 2nd. Makes you wonder how good Ron Parker is in this argument.
Parker is damn good in his SHS role. 4.3 speed and excellent instincts paired with our pass rush made teams reluctant to throw deep on us.

He's a terrible tackler, though...for a safety.
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The biggest problem with using PFF as an indicator is that it simply grades execution and on an extremely subjective level. Guys like Sherman and Harris were not asked to do all the different things that Revis and Peterson were for their teams. The same applies to the safeties.

As with all these arguments, context is King and most people lack the technical knowledge of football to understand the differences. Sherman is a complete Badass playing a simple cover 3 scheme. Make him cover the Slot or follow the other teams best WR in any of the formations and his performance numbers will likely not be so impressive.

The same with the safeties. Earl Thomas range is what makes that Cover 3 in SEA so dominant. The other guys can simply trust him to cover over the top and do their jobs and be aggressive in pass coverage. Berry's scheme and players under Sutton are not set up as well to take advantage of his talents as SEA is in letting Thomas do his Job. In short, SEA has constructed a very simple Defense, not unlike the Cover 2 used to be, that has the perfect players playing the roles they excel at. The length and speed of SEA is why the are hard to beat, and they are also damn physical up front against the run. That is how a dominant defense works. They play to the strengths of the players through scheme, and cover any weaknesses with simplicity and toughness.
Sometimes, it almost seems as if Pete Carroll knows what he's doing.
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Sometimes, it almost seems as if Pete Carroll knows what he's doing.
And he traded a 5th rounder for our 6th best safety and then signed one of our CBS to his practice squad.
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Of course Parker runs a 4.3. He plays for the queefs.
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And he traded a 5th rounder for our 6th best safety and then signed one of our CBS to his practice squad.
How many times has this happened now?
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