Won't be enough primary care family doctors to serve Americans under Obamacare

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

Why does the entire Mane not have him on ignore at this point? He quite literally never has a point worth considering. He's noise and little else. All you do by not ignoring him is continue to feed into his stupidity and create more noise.

Learned along time ago feeding the trolls like him accomplished little.

As for others not ignoring him or others says something about the mentality of of some of the kiddies..

Someday they will grow up. Well maybe.

[lonestar]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

i don't mind some good smack talk. Its all in fun.

Whatever floats your boat.

Someday it will get old.

Be true to yourself. :salute:

[Jetmeck]

Somehow you start a thread saying we will have less doctors when there will be more people entering the healthcare field as end users and expect anyone with a lick of commonsense to believe it ?

Then you get upset when somebody tells you your stupid ?

Get over yourself..................

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by That One Guy

Well the thread is getting derailed but my thoughts:

I moved to Florida about a year and a half ago and I was so sick of the waits to see a doctor, I was ready to go off my medicine and say F it. The wife insisted we keep trying and I've now found a PA and I couldn't be happier with her. She's thorough, timely, and in a world where all they do is evaluate me and send me to a specialist (if needed) based on a flow chart, I've long wondered why the person needed to be an MD.

I sit in lecture halls all the time filled with 200+ people that want to become doctors but only a very small fraction ever will. Make the PA route more attractive by making them the first line of service in the medical industry and everyone wins. The only ones who would have an issue are the crybabies that think the worst MD is still better than the best PA.

I was ready to really talk about how we can get more medical students interested in being family doctors but yeah, it got hijacked because liberals refuse to believe their is anything wrong. I like having PA take over some stuff but it has some problems. One can we trust a PA to do what my family doctor did for my brother which was spot his luekemia really early. Even the doctors at the City Of Hope were impressed that he read those early symptonms and ordered tests that discovered his Leukemia. He went on to a marrow transplant and is a 12 yr survivor now.

So yes PA are needed, and can be used to help family doctors see more patients, but i still think you need a real MD overseeing them.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Somehow you start a thread saying we will have less doctors when there will be more people entering the healthcare field as end users and expect anyone with a lick of commonsense to believe it ?

Then you get upset when somebody tells you your stupid ?

Get over yourself..................

Get over yourself lil fella. There is a family doctor shortage, and it will get worst. Medical students do not want to be family doctors. We have enough wanting to be doctors, just not enough wanting to be family doctors. With obamacare adding more people to the consumer side it will only get worst.

Some sort of plan is needed. Tax cuts for family doctors for their first 3 yrs, and less on student loans seems like a good idea to me. What good is health insurance if you call doctor and they say we cant see you for 2-3 weeks.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Combine some of this with things like banning drug companies from advertising, and you may be on to something.

"Ask your doctor about..." No, tell your doctor your symptoms. It's more than likely all in your head, or at the very least not what the makers of Lunesta want you to believe.

So now you are against advertising also? Incredible! what don't you want to ban or boycott?

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So now you are against advertising also? Incredible! what don't you want to ban or boycott?

Is it never okay to ban advertising?

[chadta]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So now you are against advertising also? Incredible! what don't you want to ban or boycott?

Abortions

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by chadta

Abortions

Oh yeah lol.

And to answer a tards question, if your business is legal, then no it would never be ok to ban them advertising, unless it was in the interests of national security.

that you think a lunesta commercial is a problem.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Oh yeah lol.

And to answer a tards question, if your business is legal, then no it would never be ok to ban them advertising, unless it was in the interests of national security.

that you think a lunesta commercial is a problem.

So banning advertising for alcohol and tobacco products within a certain radius of a school zone is never okay?

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

So banning advertising for alcohol and tobacco products within a certain radius of a school zone is never okay?

Sorry but i am right next to a school and get all sorts of advertising on my tv for those things. You were talking about banning lunesta commercials. Now you want to talk about local cities regulating billboards and outdoor advertising? Thats a reach and a half.

Your point was ban drug companies from advertising. Please defend that point.

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Sorry but i am right next to a school and get all sorts of advertising on my tv for those things. You were talking about banning lunesta commercials. Now you want to talk about local cities regulating billboards and outdoor advertising? Thats a reach and a half.

Your point was ban drug companies from advertising. Please defend that point.

Simple.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (6/22/09) gives the FDA the power to regulate what kind of advertising the tobacco industry can have on the premise that use of tobacco is harmful to your health. I would be in favor of Congress passing legislation banning or severely restricting advertisement of any kind for specific types of prescription medication, on the basis that telling patients to "ask your doctor if X is right for you" puts undue stress on doctors whose patients attempt to self-diagnose prior to visiting the doctor.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

Simple.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (6/22/09) gives the FDA the power to regulate what kind of advertising the tobacco industry can have on the premise that use of tobacco is harmful to your health. I would be in favor of Congress passing legislation banning or severely restricting advertisement of any kind for specific types of prescription medication, on the basis that telling patients to "ask your doctor if X is right for you" puts undue stress on doctors whose patients attempt to self-diagnose prior to visiting the doctor.

Doctors are big boys and girls. I doubt any feel undue pressure because of a lunesta commercial. I get it though you want regulations everywhere. You think you can legislate the F out of U.

[Pony Boy]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Doctors are big boys and girls. I doubt any feel undue pressure because of a lunesta commercial. I get it though you want regulations everywhere. You think you can legislate the F out of U.

Originally Posted by houghtam

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (6/22/09) gives the FDA the power to regulate what kind of advertising the tobacco industry can have on the premise that use of tobacco is harmful to your health.

Here's a good one ...... The FDA is wanting to regulate or shutdown the sales of premimum cigars online. Companies like famous-smoke.com and other large retailers account for over 100,000 jobs domesticallyand roughly 250,000 jobs in Latin America that rely on the cigar culture in the U.S.

The Federal Government is worried that children might order a $200 to $300 box of premimum cigars and pass them around at school. When was the last time you saw a middleschooler or highschooler standing on the corner with a $15 Padron sticking out of their mouth.”

[houghtam]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Doctors are big boys and girls. I doubt any feel undue pressure because of a lunesta commercial. I get it though you want regulations everywhere. You think you can legislate the F out of U.

It has nothing to do with being big boys and girls, it has to do with the difficulty of diagnosing someone who already diagnosed themselves. Apparently you don't know anyone in healthcare, because this is actually a fairly big problem for care providers.

But good to know you answered a serious problem with a childish quip.

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by houghtam

It has nothing to do with being big boys and girls, it has to do with the difficulty of diagnosing someone who already diagnosed themselves. Apparently you don't know anyone in healthcare, because this is actually a fairly big problem for care providers.

But good to know you answered a serious problem with a childish quip.

Sorry but the vast majority of self diagnosis comes from the internet. Do you want to ban searching on diseases on the internet. Funny because all my sisters and my mom work in healthcare for their whole careers. Then to top it off one of my best friends from school is a a great nose, ear, throat specialist in Idaho. Never heard from one of them that commercials on TV make people self diagnos and is some sort of main problem in medicine.

What a joke. The only commercials are for hair loss, pecker not working, and depression. Yeah you are right if we can just get rid of soccor moms wanting lexipro because they saw it on tv we will be ok.

What a joke this whole point is.

[cutthemdown]

Houghtan like Tom Cruise! It's all in your head, stop watching commercials for Lunesta and you will be ok.

[cutthemdown]

Tell the parents Lorenzos Oil was based on that trying to research diseases for yourself is a bad idea.

never just take a doctors word for something until you have 2-3 opinions and do your own research!

[elsid13]

Back to the OP. The reason that there is less family doctors is result of market forces, not Obamacare. Doctors are moving into specialized medicine, not because of the affordable medic care act, but rather because that is where the money (they need to pay back the loans for medical school) and prestige is. This trend has been occurring over the last 30 years.

Want more family doctors in urban and rural area figure out how to lessen the cost of Med School or do what the military does (in exchange for paying for medical school, you serve for 5 years in rural area)

[cutthemdown]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Back to the OP. The reason that there is less family doctors is result of market forces, not Obamacare. Doctors are moving into specialized medicine, not because of the affordable medic care act, but rather because that is where the money (they need to pay back the loans for medical school) and prestige is. This trend has been occurring over the last 30 years.

Want more family doctors in urban and rural area figure out how to lessen the cost of Med School or do what the military does (in exchange for paying for medical school, you serve for 5 years in rural area)

The point is under Obama care we need even more family doctors. Like you said there was already market forces causing them to go into specialties. So this is just added pressure to that market situation.

We need to address it.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The point is under Obama care we need even more family doctors. Like you said there was already market forces causing them to go into specialties. So this is just added pressure to that market situation.

We need to address it.

We need GP wither Obamacare is there or not. GP are able to detect and treat general health problem early before they cost the system so much more in long term.

The American medical system is designed to create a profit and not to reduce health issues.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Back to the OP. The reason that there is less family doctors is result of market forces, not Obamacare. Doctors are moving into specialized medicine, not because of the affordable medic care act, but rather because that is where the money (they need to pay back the loans for medical school) and prestige is. This trend has been occurring over the last 30 years.

Want more family doctors in urban and rural area figure out how to lessen the cost of Med School or do what the military does (in exchange for paying for medical school, you serve for 5 years in rural area)

Everything bad that happens is Obama's fault, no matter what.

You must not have received the memo.