Do guns save lives?

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by baja

I never said I held out a lot of hope that Americans would stand up to tyranny but one can hope. There is NO chance without an armed citizenry.

The 2nd amendment does not protect us against tyranny, the 1st does. Want to fight a tyrannical regime backed by the might of the U.S. Army? First, you need to be able to recognize and help others recognize the tyranny. Then you need allies: both foreign (i.e. France) and domestic (i.e. convincing Military units to defect and fight).

That's what went wrong in 1930s Germany. The German population was not disarmed, it had blinders put on. It was convinced to be PART of the tyranny.

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

The 2nd amendment does not protect us against tyranny, the 1st does.

They both do.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." --James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

"The right of the people to keep and bear ... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country ..." -- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833

[baja]

Do guns save lives?

92% of poll responders say yes.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by baja

Do guns save lives?

92% of poll responders say yes.

Well, take that to the bank!

Those kids in Newtown got what they deserved, didn't they, because they didn't take their civic duty seriously and arm themselves. Right?

[baja]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Well, take that to the bank!

Those kids in Newtown got what they deserved, didn't they, because they didn't take their civic duty seriously and arm themselves. Right?

Are you really this sick of an individual?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by baja

Are you really this sick of an individual?

Your supposition is that we have a duty (more than just a right) to be armed.

Are you backing off, now? Did the reptilians get to you or something?

[baja]

I chose not to interact with sickos - IE post 79

Originally Posted by W*GS

Well, take that to the bank!

Those kids in Newtown got what they deserved, didn't they, because they didn't take their civic duty seriously and arm themselves. Right?

What on God's green earth is wrong with you?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by baja

I chose not to interact with sickos - IE post 79

You just did.

How far do you go with your claim of a "duty" to be armed?

Who's exempt? Anyone?

Originally Posted by baja

I chose not to interact with sickos - IE post 79

I swear he's getting worse.

He usually responds by insulting everyone and pooping everywhere, and now this.

I'm starting to wonder if we need to get him into a nursing home.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

What on God's green earth is wrong with you?

It's baja's claim taken to its logical conclusion.

He won't admit it, but if we have a "duty" to be armed, then those who are not have failed in their "duty".

I'm merely trying to get baja to define the limits, if any, to this claim of his regarding "duty".

[Fedaykin]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

They both do.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." --James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

"The right of the people to keep and bear ... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country ..." -- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833

Oh look, multiple arguments from authority. How impressive of you!

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I swear he's getting worse.

He usually responds by insulting everyone and pooping everywhere, and now this.

I'm starting to wonder if we need to get him into a nursing home.

You two don't get it at all.

Not surprising.

Do you agree with baja that there's a "duty" to be armed?

[DenverBrit]

What the founders had in mind was more like the Swiss model of today.

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country

We get this instead..........

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

What the founders had in mind was more like the Swiss model of today.



We get this instead..........

Luckily for us, our Constitution was written by American patriots and not gungrabbing Red Coats.

If there's something about the US or US policy you don't like, feel free to catch the next British Airways flight out to Gatwick. I've always found it unbecoming for foreigners to come over here to enjoy what we have, while all they can seemingly do is b**** and moan about how we choose to run our household.

Yes, here's the Swiss model of today: Untracked automatic rifles everywhere, little regulation.

Originally Posted by W*GS

You two don't get it at all.

Not surprising.

Do you agree with baja that there's a "duty" to be armed?

I get it perfectly: When confronted with something you can't or don't want to answer, you poop.

As far the rest, I'll answer your questions when you stop dodging mine. How's that?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

I get it perfectly: When confronted with something you can't or don't want to answer, you poop.

You just described yourself perfectly.

You **** all over the board - neg reps, too.

Grow the **** up, little baby.

[Fedaykin]

You still missed the point nyucky, do you know what the word 'regulated' means in the context of the 2nd amendment?

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk;3821394[B

]Luckily for us, our Constitution was written by American patriots and not gungrabbing Red Coats.[/B]

If there's something about the US or US policy you don't like, feel free to catch the next British Airways flight out to Gatwick. I've always found it unbecoming for foreigners to come over here to enjoy what we have, while all they can seemingly do is b**** and moan about how we choose to run our household.

Yes, here's the Swiss model of today: Untracked automatic rifles everywhere, little regulation.

So Brits were only redcoats? Are you really so stupid??

As a citizen, I'm entitled to my opinion, unlike you, most here don't use the 2nd amendment to squash the first.

Now go get me a sandwich!

Originally Posted by Fedaykin

You still missed the point nyucky, do you know what the word 'regulated' means in the context of the 2nd amendment?

No what you are trying to make it out to be. Do your research.

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

So Brits were only redcoats? Are you really so stupid??

As a citizen, I'm entitled to my opinion, unlike you, most here don't use the 2nd amendment to squash the first.

Now go get me a sandwich!

Nobody is squashing the 1st, it's not "squashing" to point out you're pretty stupid to move to a country in which you dislike the laws in so badly you feel the need to mock citizens of that country for.

You're like OM's own little Piers Morgan.

[DenverBrit]

Originally Posted by nyuk nyuk

Nobody is squashing the 1st, it's not "squashing" to point out you're pretty stupid to move to a country in which you dislike the laws in so badly you feel the need to mock citizens of that country for.

You're like OM's own little Piers Morgan.

You're quite the little drama queen and too stupid to address the issues without resorting to xenophobia.

I've more than paid my dues as a citizen, I'll be as critical as I choose.

If you don't like criticism and the Democratic process, feel free move to Cuba and go back to being a dumbass Marxist.

[Requiem]

Aw, she called Brit a Piers Morgan. Yet got mad when I posted Asian memes. Lmfao.

Originally Posted by DenverBrit

You're quite the little drama queen and too stupid to address the issues without resorting to xenophobia.

I've more than paid my dues as a citizen, I'll be as critical as I choose.

If you don't like criticism and the Democratic process, feel free move to Cuba and go back to being a dumbass Marxist.

Xenophobia. Teh lulz. What the hell is that? It seems to me that if anyone is "phobic" about anything, it's you with regard to your dislike for living in the country of your birth.

You come all this way to whine and trash people. Seriously, that is just pathetic.

A pro-gun control Brit. I think perhaps you should have stayed home, since you clearly prefer mom's cooking better.

Originally Posted by Requiem

Aw, she called Brit a Piers Morgan. Yet got mad when I posted Asian memes. Lmfao.

The Asian stuff you posted crossed the line into racism, even though you claim to be "antiracist." I call him Piers Morgan for obvious reasons and those have nothing to do with your stereotyping Asian people.

Perhaps you could comprehend this better if we post "Black memes" about your relatives?