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Old 04-17-2018, 07:25 AM   #1
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DC considers lowering voting age to 16

By the next presidential election in 2020, 16 and 17-year-olds could be voting in the Nation's Capital. Advocates of the measure say they have the
Should 16 and 17-year-olds be allowed to vote?

D.C.Ďs city Council is now considering that question. Legislation was introduced on Tuesday, April 10, 2018.

By the next presidential election in 2020, 16 and 17 year olds could be voting in the Nation's Capital.

Advocates of the measure say they have the support of seven of 13, a majority of D.C. Council members.


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"I think people are getting excited about this, especially with what's going on in the nation right now in terms of youth leading social change. So I think that people are going to be very excited about it and want to get on board," said Alisha Chopra, 18, a senior at School Without Walls.

The legislation was introduced on Tuesday by D.C. council member Charles Allen (D-Ward 6). He was inspired by the high schoolers we saw last month at the March for our lives campaigning for gun control. Hundreds of thousands of young people filled the streets.

The Parkland students who survived a mass shooting in February are already credited for changing laws in Florida.

Now, a group of young people in D.C. are working on getting the vote for 16 and 17 year olds.

"They contribute and are affected by the same things adults are, and they're having the same conversations about school and transportation," said Greta Jalen, 17, a student at School Without Walls.

"We work, we pay taxes, we care for family members, we can drive, we can do so many other things. So, adding voting onto that isn't going to be that big of a responsibility. We can handle it," said Alex Shyer, a 16-year-old Sophomore at Woodrow Wilson High School.

The last time the voting age was changed in this country was four decades ago. The Vietnam War was raging and students protested that it was unfair 18-year-old could be drafted but could not vote.

In 1971, Congress passed the 26th Amendment giving people 18 and older the right to vote.

It does not prevent states from setting a lower age.

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no opinions on moving voting age to 16?
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They should raise it to 21
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I think “adult” should be a universal age in the US as it relates to driving, drinking, voting, shooting, drafting and screwing and jailing.

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No for lowering the age, and let's fix the efforts to keep current legal voters from the polls by making it a felony to engage in voter suppression strategies like the GOP has honed to a fine art.
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No for lowering the age, and let's fix the efforts to keep current legal voters from the polls by making it a felony to engage in voter suppression strategies like the GOP has honed to a fine art.
You mad p***Y? Vote GOP or die b****
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You mad p***Y? Vote GOP or die b****
Your screen name betrays a lot about you little fella. You didn't take gym in middle school, did you?
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Your screen name betrays a lot about you little fella. You didn't take gym in middle school, did you?
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Your screen name betrays a lot about you little fella. You didn't take gym in middle school, did you?
His nickname is peanut or was it acorn? maybe it is thimble....
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How lowering the voting age to 16 could save democracy

...This time, however, New Zealand would not be alone in giving younger people the vote. Sixteen-year-olds in Argentina, Cuba, Ecuador, Austria, Nicaragua and Brazil now have voting rights.

In the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, 16- and 17-year-olds seized the opportunity to vote; 75% of their cohort turned out to vote. In the US, high school students are showing their considerable political strength in protesting against gun violence in their schools.

Lowering the voting age to 16 would bring the age of political responsibility more in line with the age of criminal responsibility and the age of informed consent for medical procedures.

New Zealandís current system is willing to hold a 16-year-old responsible for murder, but deny that same 16-year-old the responsibility to cast a vote. This isnít right. They are either capable of acting both well and badly, or of doing neither.

Merely learning more about civics and political processes has not been shown to lead to greater citizenship participation. The type of civic learning matters.

A large-scale longitudinal study of more than 4,000 students in the US found that civic learning in which students actually experienced involvement in civic and political issues ó and particularly on issues that matter to them Ė had the greatest long-term impact on future political participation.

This bodes well for New Zealand, as research published last year following a two-year study on social studies students taking social action for their internal assessment credits showed the curriculum is well set up for young people to experience civic engagement.

Encouraging younger voter participation is complex but essential if we want to maintain the health of our democracy.

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Maybe 16 year olds can vote themselves the right to drink and to purchase firearms too.
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I think it would be terrific. 16 year-olds are much more informed these days, there would be a whole new enthusiasm around elections. Parents would take their children to the polls. It would be great.

But like letting poor people and minorities vote this would hurt the Republicans. Instead of trying to expand their base and to appeal to more people they just insist on wining elections by trying to keep people from voting.
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I think it would be terrific. 16 year-olds are much more informed these days, there would be a whole new enthusiasm around elections. Parents would take their children to the polls. It would be great.

But like letting poor people and minorities vote this would hurt the Republicans. Instead of trying to expand their base and to appeal to more people they just insist on wining elections by trying to keep people from voting.
Voting (nationwide) needs to be done by mail like it is here in Washington.
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Pros: The average 16 year old smarter than the average Rump voter

Cons: The average 16-year-old is dumb as ****.

OK, you convinced me, sign them up.
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Pros: The average 16 year old smarter than the average Rump voter

Cons: The average 16-year-old is dumb as ****.

OK, you convinced me, sign them up.
This is a great analogy for the kind of decisionmaking that got us in the mess we're in today.

I can't believe people are this disconnected from reality to think this an even viable idea.

People who know kids this age should already be skeptical of 18, let alone 16.
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This is a great analogy for the kind of decisionmaking that got us in the mess we're in today.

I can't believe people are this disconnected from reality to think this an even viable idea.

People who know kids this age should already be skeptical of 18, let alone 16.
16 year old decision making might get us Justin Bieber for President.
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16-year-olds voting? IMO, 18 is too young.

Anyone who's ever raised a teen is laughing their ass off right now.

Talk about irresponsibility. This just goes to show how low some will stoop to get their agenda through.
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16 year old decision making might get us Justin Bieber for President.
True that.

But in this case, I mean the adult 'decisionmaking' process that says "I don't care how indefensibly dumb it is, as long as it politically benefits us next election!"
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I think it should be and selective service registration should be raised to 21. However, I think you should still be tried as an adult at 18.
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55 year-olds already did that.
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True that.

But in this case, I mean the adult 'decisionmaking' process that says "I don't care how indefensibly dumb it is, as long as it politically benefits us next election!"
Says one of the geniuses who brought you "The Real Word: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue."

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True that.

But in this case, I mean the adult 'decisionmaking' process that says "I don't care how indefensibly dumb it is, as long as it politically benefits us next election!"
The operative word is adult 'decisionmaking' process. Anyone who's ever raised a teen would immediately get this.
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Understanding the Teen Brain

University of Rochester Medical Center
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyc...ContentID=3051

It doesn’t matter how smart teens are or how well they scored on the SAT or ACT. Good judgment isn’t something they can excel in, at least not yet.

The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so.

In fact, recent research has found that adult and teen brains work differently. Adults think with the prefrontal cortex, the brain’s rational part. This is the part of the brain that responds to situations with good judgment and an awareness of long-term consequences. Teens process information with the amygdala. This is the emotional part.

In teen’s brains, the connections between the emotional part of the brain and the decision-making center are still developing—and not necessarily at the same rate. That’s why when teens experience overwhelming emotional input, they can’t explain later what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking as much as they were feeling.... https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyc...ContentID=3051




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The rational part of a teenís brain isnít fully developed and wonít be until age 25 or so.
Then what's your excuse?

(And that of every other dim bulb who voted for a realty TV star?)
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