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Old 06-10-2014, 05:16 PM   #576
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(AP) WASHINGTON - Emails an American soldier reportedly sent to his parents before he was captured by the Taliban three years ago suggest he was disillusioned and considering deserting.

Bowe Bergdahl told his parents he was "ashamed to even be American" and was disgusted with the U.S. mission in Afghanistan and with the Army, according to emails quoted in Rolling Stone magazine...

The Rolling Stone article, to be published Friday, also quotes other soldiers and associates of Bergdahl's as saying that he had talked about walking to Pakistan if his deployment was "lame" and that shortly before his disappearance he had asked whether he should take his weapon if he left the base...
Some of Bergdahl's reported words read like a suicide note.

"I am sorry for everything," he wrote. "The horror that is America is disgusting."

He mailed home boxes containing his uniform and books.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-ber...n-emails-show/
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:36 AM   #577
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So some want to use Israel as an example? Ok, in Israel, it is mandatory to serve in the military for a certain time, so it's not voluntary like it is here. So Obama supporters would like that? Maybe that is why Israel thinks of their soldiers differently in that they for legal reasons, have to serve and not given a choice. Here, in America, it is voluntary and people are given a choice and one thinks by now know the risks by joining. Israel also profiles for their airline flights. Obama supporters would be for that? Israel also kicks out anybody who isn't a citizen in their country and doesn't worry about keeping them around looking to pander for votes? Obama supporters would like that? Yeah, didn't think so.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:29 AM   #578
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Interesting.


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Haqqani Network Militants Killed By U.S. Drone Strike: Taliban

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Ten militants wiped out by a U.S. drone attack early Thursday were members of the feared Haqqani network that kidnapped U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, a senior Taliban source said.

Among the dead were two senior Haqqani commanders known as “Qari Yar Jan” and “Roohullah,” the source told NBC News on the condition of anonymity.

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The Haqqani network, a hardened faction of the Taliban, has become one of the most formidable enemies of the United States in the region and regularly
launches attacks on U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan. It held Bergdahl for more than four years until his release in a controversial prisoner swap deal on May 31.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:42 AM   #579
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:49 AM   #580
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What would you guys have traded for Bowe Bergdahl?

Obviously, 5 terrorists was too much.

What would have been fair trade value?
It has nothing to do with Bergdahl, the real question is how much would Obama trade to get the VA target off his back and off the media front page.

Trade the 5 terrorists to kill the VA story was apparently a good deal for Obama.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:03 PM   #581
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Here, in America, it is voluntary and people are given a choice and one thinks by now know the risks by joining.
So, since our soldiers are volunteers we should just let them rot? If anything I think you could actually make a fairly reasonable case that volunteers should be treated in higher regard, not lower as you're inexplicably suggesting.
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So, since our soldiers are volunteers we should just let them rot? If anything I think you could actually make a fairly reasonable case that volunteers should be treated in higher regard, not lower as you're inexplicably suggesting.
Let them rot? The battlefield, at home waiting for VA appointments that never occur and dying, or in Mexico? Which one are you referring?
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Let them rot? The battlefield, at home waiting for VA appointments that never occur and dying, or in Mexico? Which one are you referring?
lol, should I be surprised that even you don't know what you're talking about?

I posted the fact that Israel traded 1,027 "enemies" for 1 of their own. You said we shouldn't compare the U.S. to Israel because their soldiers' service is mandatory whereas our soldiers are volunteers and should know the risks. Your clear implication was that our soldiers aren't worth trading as much for. If this isn't what you meant, please explain what you did mean.
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Right, should have taken them out before Bergdahl was released.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:24 PM   #585
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lol, should I be surprised that even you don't know what you're talking about?

I posted the fact that Israel traded 1,027 "enemies" for 1 of their own. You said we shouldn't compare the U.S. to Israel because their soldiers' service is mandatory whereas our soldiers are volunteers and should know the risks. Your clear implication was that our soldiers aren't worth trading as much for. If this isn't what you meant, please explain what you did mean.
i think there is a huge difference here.

- the israeli soldier was capture after an attack by hamas into an israeli camp. the guy didn't do a midnight stroll into the mountains.
- israel initially didn't want to do a prisoner swap
- there was a huge outcry and much criticism from the public because they couldn't negotiate the soldiers release
- israel feared that the hamas would execute the soldier
- there was a huge support by the israeli cabinet to make the trade. none of this i am the president so i can do as i wish. above the law bs

conversation between obama and his advisor
obama "this va thing is embarrassing. lets do something to show the people that i love our soldiers. whois that whiteboy who got captured?"
advisor "you mean bergdahl, sir?"
obama "yeah, lets get him home so the people will have something else to talk about"
advisor "he is reported as going awol"
obama "awol?"
advisor "away without leave"
obama "ehh, we will just charge him for the vacation days from the time he left camp til the day he was capture when he gets back"
advisor "you're a moron sir"
obama "you haven't seen anything yet. lets free those guys at gitmo."
advisor "which ones?"
obama "pick the ones that are most secured and get them out of their. this should save us some money from security"
advisor "we need support from the senate to this sir"
obama "i am the potus, i can do what i what and when.
advisor "but sir, the bergdahl guy is a traitor and deserter"
obama "so what, the american people are stupid. if i told them my **** don't stink, not only will they believe me, but they will probably use it as a perfume."
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lol, should I be surprised that even you don't know what you're talking about?

I posted the fact that Israel traded 1,027 "enemies" for 1 of their own. You said we shouldn't compare the U.S. to Israel because their soldiers' service is mandatory whereas our soldiers are volunteers and should know the risks. Your clear implication was that our soldiers aren't worth trading as much for. If this isn't what you meant, please explain what you did mean.
, says someone who never knows what he's talking about. You don't trade terrorists for a soldier who deserted. Period. You find another way to get him if that desperate to get him back and you don't use such sophisticated intell of "he looked sick on a video" as your reason to have to get him back after 5 years of apparently not doing much to get him.

But it was you who brought up Israel, apparently as a model to use. So are you picking and choosing what Israel does to combat terrorism or do you agree with their profiling their airlines and kicking out immigrants? Will you cower and change the subject or agree with what Israel does to fight terrorism? Or will you be the typical liberal who picks and chooses and tries to be PC even with terrorists? Let me guess, I bet you find conservatives more dangerous than Islamic terrorists. of course easy to believe that when you are comfortably living in the U.S. and not fighting terrorists say in Israel.
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You don't trade terrorists for a soldier who deserted.
If and when we know for certain that he was a "deserter" then you might possibly have a point.
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If and when we know for certain that he was a "deserter" then you might possibly have a point.
Still waiting for the history lesson on the time we traded 5 prisoners for a guy who may or may not have deserted (or defected) and been captured. You know, just so we could then work to find out what really happened.
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Question for the neo-cons:

How do you propose going about classifying captured service members into deserter, non-deserter, war hero, dip****, etc. categories? And after they are categorized, who sets the ratios for how many Gitmo detainees each category is worth?

We could convene a court martial for each case. It would violate the services member's constitutional due process right to present a defense, as well as his Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses, consult with counsel, etc. The upside is pretty high, though. We'd know which POW category he belongs in, so we wouldn't trade any more Gitmo detainees than strictly necessary. Thanks to Gaybama, we have a finite supply of those. Plus there's the risk that the military might not have enough evidence to classify the POW into an appropriate category.

Maybe the CIA is the better agency to do this. They are in the intelligence business. They could assign a team of analysts to figure out what circumstances the POW was captured under and what he was thinking. But what if the analysts disagree? What if some evidence points to the POW leaving the wire so he could desert and join the enemy, while some evidence points to him stepping outside the wire to take a dump? In that case, maybe the best solution is to have the CIA hold a trial to figure things out. A CIA trial would avoid many of the constitutional pitfalls of the court martial because the CIA is, of course, above the Constitution. The libs would probably whine to no end about secret CIA trials of our service men and woman, but screw them. The CIA will get to the bottom of it, like they always do.

This is a big job, though. We're talking about deciding whether or not to leave a captured service member behind. Our national credibility is on the line. Perhaps this is a job that needs to be carried out by the smartest, most patriotic and outstandingly infallible members of our American society. Our cable news political pundits. They can straighten this **** out in one episode. Then, just to add a measure of democracy to the process, they can have their diverse, apolitical, open minded viewers text in their vote for how many Gitmo detainees the POW is worth. If we know anything, its that the best polling data in the world belongs to our cable news networks. Right, Mitt Romney? Oh - crap.

Maybe have Congress vote on it? The constitution does make the president commander-in-chief of our armed forces, but he's a socialist! And if the nation has a problem, by golly, we can count on Congress to get together, rationally debate the issue, and bring it to a decisive, well-informed vote. There might be some riders for potato research or appealing Obamacare, but at least we'll have a fair, democratic vote.

What do you guys think?
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How do you propose going about classifying captured service members into deserter, non-deserter, war hero, dip****, etc. categories? And after they are categorized, who sets the ratios for how many Gitmo detainees each category is worth?
Simple: classify and "value" them in whichever manner best fits the anti-Obama agenda of the right wing punditry! If they're brought home, they get a negative classification and a low value, because clearly Obama screwed up! And if they're not brought home, they get a positive classification and a high value, because clearly Obama screwed up!

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Dumbest **** ever.

Thousands of our men have deserted throughout our history. It's very simple how it works. At least with low-level guys.

If we happen to run into them again at some point we try them.
If not, they're on their own. Whether the enemy captured them or they just hide out somewhere.

It's the only logical way it could ever work.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...et-him-go.html

Hope these five guys to go this route....unbelievable
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Meanwhile vets at home are still waiting for appointments and quality healthcare and didn't run away from their fellow troops to earn it either. But who cares. No political points to try to win with them right now. It isn't a shock to me that those that do not respect our military or our troops pick deserters as their heroes.
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What do you guys think?

you do realize this is the military correct?
you do realize certain laws apply to military personnel but not civilians?
this is war. either you follow orders or you don't.

you protect obama even if it makes you look stupid. the fact that you disregard all reports, the situation, the soldiers stationed with him, the 5 terrorist to protect obama is ludicrous. why?
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you do realize this is the military correct?
you do realize certain laws apply to military personnel but not civilians?
this is war. either you follow orders or you don't.

you protect obama even if it makes you look stupid. the fact that you disregard all reports, the situation, the soldiers stationed with him, the 5 terrorist to protect obama is ludicrous. why?
Because they need to protect Obama at all costs and hide the truth. His supporters will never believe he is anything but wonderful no matter what happens. If you really study Obama and his wife, they really are like the Clintons in that there really isn't anything likable about them. Stuck up snobs, but that also goes to the liberals around here who defend him without fail. There's nothing really likable about any of them either.
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I wouldn't trade terrorists for hostages. All it does is make them want to take servicemen and women alive to trade. Better to just tell our boys to fight to the absolute death. Don't surrender to animals that have no regard for the Geneva convention.

I sure hope the next President, be him/her a dem or repub isn't such a lame commander in Chief. Let me guess though Dems feel warm and fuzzy about turning over the largest military in the world to Hilliary Clinton. Seriously? She ran around partying and drinking instead of being SOS. Did she do anything of note as SOS? Oh I mean besides getting an ambassador murdered then covering it up?
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1. There is no pretend to it,no one died.
2. He wasn't a deserter.


Military charges Bergdahl with desertion

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/politi...rges-decision/

Washington (CNN)The U.S. military has charged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl with one count each of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, officials announced Wednesday afternoon.

Bergdahl left his post in Afghanistan before being captured and held captive for five years. For that, he faces charges that carry a maximum penalty of life in a military prison, and he could also have to forfeit pay and be stripped for his rank, Army Col. Daniel King said as he announced the charges.

Bergdahl now faces a military procedure similar to a grand jury deciding whether charges are appropriate, King said. Then, he could face court martial proceedings.

The decision comes nearly a year after Bergdahl returned to the United States as part of a prisoner exchange and since the Army began a formal investigation into his disappearance from his unit in eastern Afghanistan in June 2009.

The Army concluded its investigation into the circumstances of Bergdahl's capture in December. Until now, it has been in the hands of Gen. Mark Milley, head of U.S. Army Forces Command, who made the decision to charge Bergdahl. Several U.S. military officials CNN has spoken with suggested privately that the process took longer than expected...
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One of 'Taliban Five' in Bowe Bergdahl swap allegedly returned to militancy
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...turn-militancy

Shock U.S. Army admission: Obama freed Taliban ‘psychopath’ in Bergdahl trade
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...nger/?page=all

GAO: Yes, Obama's Taliban/Bergdahl Exchange Was Illegal
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...legal-n1881725
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