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Old 10-15-2018, 08:33 AM   #1
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We have given up big yards on the ground to both the Rams and the Chiefs. In each of those games we held those teams to their lowest offensive output of the season. Is our overplaying the pass and giving up a lot of yards on the ground a little of a catch 22? Obviously you want a team who can do both. And maybe that still exists but in todays NFL where a team is dropping 40 points every weekend its going to be difficult.

Look at the Jets Game-Their we gave up monster pass yards and Run Yards. If we slow down the pass in that game and still give up big rush yards we probably keep it with in a score.

Its sad how far my expectations have dropped. Hoping to keep it with in a score-FMT
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I think it depends on the context. I know the popular thing here is to say to run it more, but it wouldn't help us. Look at the Giants and Barkley. Kid is amazing, he went off last week. They still got rolled.
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Against us, running is perfect. We can't stop it and we can't score.
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Yes. One of the few things VJ is right about is, as Ron Jaworski used to always say on that show with Merrill Hodge, "Points come from the passing game"
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I think it depends on the context. I know the popular thing here is to say to run it more, but it wouldn't help us. Look at the Giants and Barkley. Kid is amazing, he went off last week. They still got rolled.
Only 130 yards rushing. But more importantly, only 13 attempts. 10 yards per. 13 attempts. Crazy.

That team, like ours, needs to run more. Slow the game down. Less opportunity for a ****ty O to wreck the game while the defense rests.
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Only 130 yards rushing. But more importantly, only 13 attempts. 10 yards per. 13 attempts. Crazy.

That team, like ours, needs to run more. Slow the game down. Less opportunity for a ****ty O to wreck the game while the defense rests.
I'd argue we need to run more in addition to other offensive efficiency. Running more in our current state and play calling, won't change a thing. When we start running because we don't trust our pass...guess what the defense does?

It's turning into 2010 all over again. In many ways.
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I'd argue we need to run more in addition to other offensive efficiency. Running more in our current state and play calling, won't change a thing. When we start running because we don't trust our pass...guess what the defense does?

It's turning into 2010 all over again. In many ways.
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I'd argue we need to run more in addition to other offensive efficiency. Running more in our current state and play calling, won't change a thing. When we start running because we don't trust our pass...guess what the defense does?

It's turning into 2010 all over again. In many ways.
Funny thing is that it's a similar schedule. I remember going to the Arizona game that year and it was so ****ing embarrassing watching us get blown out with ****ty Kyle Orton to a bazillion field goals.
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Funny thing is that it's a similar schedule. I remember going to the Arizona game that year and it was so ****ing embarrassing watching us get blown out with ****ty Kyle Orton to a bazillion field goals.
Wasn't that the Jay Feely game?

Christ. Oddly I think I read that the last time our attendance was this bad was 2010 against the Rams. I was at that game and I believe it was also a snow game. It was embarrassing.
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I think it depends on the context. I know the popular thing here is to say to run it more, but it wouldn't help us. Look at the Giants and Barkley. Kid is amazing, he went off last week. They still got rolled.

Yeah, i think its important for balance to set up passing as well as clock control. Patriots showed last night against the chiefs how running the ball down the other teams throat can help win a game. Especially in the playoffs in the bad weather.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:13 AM   #11
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Itís simple logic. Those 2 scores were lower cause running takes more time off the clock.(less possessions). TOP wins too. They didnít even need to throw the ball being up multiple scores halfway into 1st quarters.

Their gameplans adapt and change during the games. They dictated both wins.


But moral victories!
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We have given up big yards on the ground to both the Rams and the Chiefs. In each of those games we held those teams to their lowest offensive output of the season. Is our overplaying the pass and giving up a lot of yards on the ground a little of a catch 22? Obviously you want a team who can do both. And maybe that still exists but in todays NFL where a team is dropping 40 points every weekend its going to be difficult.

Look at the Jets Game-Their we gave up monster pass yards and Run Yards. If we slow down the pass in that game and still give up big rush yards we probably keep it with in a score.

Its sad how far my expectations have dropped. Hoping to keep it with in a score-FMT
I believe you pick how you get gashed, at least by the better teams. For the Broncos they benefit from giving up huge yards on the ground but the clock runs a lot and the other offense doesn't have as much time to run up scores. What's frustrating is the large running yardage mitigates our biggest strength, pass rush.

As far as our offense, I think we need to decide what we want to be, and build the offensive line around either a run based attack or a pass heavy attack.

Bend don't break is hard to stomach, but the name of the game for the Broncos this season is keep it close, hope for a mistake, and win close games.
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you all have such fascinating opinions but,
I will side with VINCE LOMBARDI ON THIS ONE !
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Old 10-15-2018, 01:28 PM   #14
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Ultimately it's about keeping the other team out of the endzone. I'm fine with giving up some yards, but you really want your defense to get stingy in the redzone. Giving up some FG's isn't that bad, it's when your D gives up multiple TD's in each half is when things get really bad.

Even though we got gashed in the run game yesterday, the Rams only scored 23 points. Our offense just isn't clicking. The run game as been a pleasant surprise this year, but poor play calling (not calling enough run plays) and poor passing game has killed us.
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Running is hard on the knees and can be difficult to sustain. It also has a much higher rate of injury. You can achieve the same amount of cardio benefits with lower impact cardio or even a well-constructed weight/circuit training routine.
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Definitely a passing game, no way we would be in the game the last two weeks with this kind of run game years ago.
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Itís simple logic. Those 2 scores were lower cause running takes more time off the clock.(less possessions). TOP wins too. They didnít even need to throw the ball being up multiple scores halfway into 1st quarters.

Their gameplans adapt and change during the games. They dictated both wins.


But moral victories!
This is exactly right.

Just because they scored less doesnt mean the defense was better. They still scored almost at will, just took the scenic route to get there.
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I believe you pick how you get gashed, at least by the better teams. For the Broncos they benefit from giving up huge yards on the ground but the clock runs a lot and the other offense doesn't have as much time to run up scores. What's frustrating is the large running yardage mitigates our biggest strength, pass rush.

As far as our offense, I think we need to decide what we want to be, and build the offensive line around either a run based attack or a pass heavy attack.

Bend don't break is hard to stomach, but the name of the game for the Broncos this season is keep it close, hope for a mistake, and win close games.
Actually, I'd call our defensive strategy this year "bend AND break".
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The more the Rams and Chiefs play the less our D coordinator looks like a fool.
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This is exactly right.

Just because they scored less doesnt mean the defense was better. They still scored almost at will, just took the scenic route to get there.
Actually Scoring less isthe very essence of being a better defense. The very best metric you can use.
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Itís simple logic. Those 2 scores were lower cause running takes more time off the clock.(less possessions). TOP wins too. They didnít even need to throw the ball being up multiple scores halfway into 1st quarters.

Their gameplans adapt and change during the games. They dictated both wins.


But moral victories!
...it's called shortening the game to give your team a chance to win.

At the end of the day, we were in position to win both games.
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Actually, I'd call our defensive strategy this year "bend AND break".
Our red zone defense is ranked 16th about. Exact same as Chicago's.

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Yes. You need to be able to do it but should not be the focal point of your offense because you have a ****ty QB.
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