NBA All-Stars 2007: Reserves Announced

[TheChamp24]

I think its ridiculous that Melo and Howard didn't make it. Whatever though, I don't really care.

Originally Posted by angryllama

The Suns are 1/2 a game back of Dallas, and are 0-2 against them this season.

Dallas went 0-4 until they played Phoenix for the first time. Dallas used Phoenix to springboard off of the mat, and Dallas hasnt been back on it since. The second time they played, PHX went on their cute little runs and Dallas waited in the lurch to reach up and choke them out when it mattered.

I'll believe that the Suns can beat the Mavs in the playoffs when I see it. Until then, enjoy the regular season and quit comparing the Suns to the defending conference champions.

While I do think the Mavs are a better team, I think you are taking what the Suns have been doing too lightly. I mean, the Suns started out 1-5, and have gone 36-4 since then. Mavs have gone 38-4 sine their 0-4 start. This is why bad starts aren't exactly deathening in the NBA, NHL or MLB because there are so many games.
Also, the first game was a long time ago, when both teams weren't playing "great" basketball. It was still close, 119-112, the second game was even closer in Dallas, 101-99. It isn't exactly like the Mavs killed the Suns in both games.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by jth1331

I think its ridiculous that Melo and Howard didn't make it. Whatever though, I don't really care.
While I do think the Mavs are a better team, I think you are taking what the Suns have been doing too lightly. I mean, the Suns started out 1-5, and have gone 36-4 since then. Mavs have gone 38-4 sine their 0-4 start. This is why bad starts aren't exactly deathening in the NBA, NHL or MLB because there are so many games.
Also, the first game was a long time ago, when both teams weren't playing "great" basketball. It was still close, 119-112, the second game was even closer in Dallas, 101-99. It isn't exactly like the Mavs killed the Suns in both games.

For all of the Suns' effort, they still have gained no separation from the Mavs, and are currently in second place. With the remaining schedules of the two, I dont see the Suns winning the West. From all of the hype they have received, you would think that they were 47-0. They can streak all they want, but if they cant beat Dallas, its all for naught, and they have had some serious problems beating Dallas.

The team that Dallas beat twice this season is the same one playing now. Suns fans seem to think that they can rationalize those losses by throwing out that qualifier, when in actuality, Dallas is up a half-game in the standings and has a 2-0 lead on the tiebreaker, with a win already taken on Phoenix.' home court. Dallas is already 2/3 of the way to tiebreaker advantage.

The Suns have a nearly impossible job in beating the Mavs both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

[TheChamp24]

Originally Posted by angryllama

For all of the Suns' effort, they still have gained no separation from the Mavs, and are currently in second place. With the remaining schedules of the two, I dont see the Suns winning the West. From all of the hype they have received, you would think that they were 47-0. They can streak all they want, but if they cant beat Dallas, its all for naught, and they have had some serious problems beating Dallas.

The team that Dallas beat twice this season is the same one playing now. Suns fans seem to think that they can rationalize those losses by throwing out that qualifier, when in actuality, Dallas is up a half-game in the standings and has a 2-0 lead on the tiebreaker, with a win already taken on Phoenix.' home court. Dallas is already 2/3 of the way to tiebreaker advantage.

The Suns have a nearly impossible job in beating the Mavs both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

I love that, nearly impossible job of beating the Mavs. I guess the NBA should shut down the rest of the season, have the top 8 teams battle it out in the East, and whoever wins faces the Mavs.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by jth1331

I love that, nearly impossible job of beating the Mavs. I guess the NBA should shut down the rest of the season, have the top 8 teams battle it out in the East, and whoever wins faces the Mavs.

Then LLama can predict another sweep just like last year.

[sgbfan]

For replacements I think it has to be between Melo, Randolph, Brand and Okur.

Personally I hope Okur makes it. He has had a great season, especially considering how well Boozer has played. He is on one of the top 5 teams in the NBA as well. He has also been possibly the most clutch player in the NBA this season. He showed that Wednesday against the Spurs. He has come up HUGE in the 4th quarter time and again this season. I know I am a Jazz Homer, but this guy deserves it as much as anyone else. He is scoring almost 18 points a game and has both Carlos Boozer and Deron Williams on his team that both score a lot. He is easily the best Center (term used loosely) this year that is not on the all-star team.

Theres my rant for the day

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by jth1331

I love that, nearly impossible job of beating the Mavs. I guess the NBA should shut down the rest of the season, have the top 8 teams battle it out in the East, and whoever wins faces the Mavs.

You've gotta beat the best to be the best. It's really a common sense type thing.

[TheChamp24]

Originally Posted by sgbfan

For replacements I think it has to be between Melo, Randolph, Brand and Okur.

Personally I hope Okur makes it. He has had a great season, especially considering how well Boozer has played. He is on one of the top 5 teams in the NBA as well. He has also been possibly the most clutch player in the NBA this season. He showed that Wednesday against the Spurs. He has come up HUGE in the 4th quarter time and again this season. I know I am a Jazz Homer, but this guy deserves it as much as anyone else. He is scoring almost 18 points a game and has both Carlos Boozer and Deron Williams on his team that both score a lot. He is easily the best Center (term used loosely) this year that is not on the all-star team.

Theres my rant for the day

Okur? You're kidding, right? 17.6, decent, not All Star material. 7.4 rebounds, decent, nothing special for a center. 0.60 blocks a game. A center averaging .6 blocks a game and you think he is an All Star!??!!??! Most clutch player? Good lord, take off the homer goggles.
And he is not the best center not on an All-Star team.

[ludo21]

We will see in the playoffs llama is all i can say.

You say we havent gained seperation from you? We can say the same for the MAvs.

0-2 vs. the Mavs this year, big deal, both were close games, and not in the playoffs when it counts.

Im still not sure if we can beat the Mavs or Spurs in a 7 game series, but dont act like it cant happen, caz this Suns team is very good, and they are slowly adding more player from the bench onto the floor for some minutes.

[sgbfan]

Originally Posted by jth1331

Okur? You're kidding, right? 17.6, decent, not All Star material. 7.4 rebounds, decent, nothing special for a center. 0.60 blocks a game. A center averaging .6 blocks a game and you think he is an All Star!??!!??! Most clutch player? Good lord, take off the homer goggles.
And he is not the best center not on an All-Star team.

First of all, what Center has been better? As for the points he has one point less than Marion and Stoudemire who are on the team, and only 2 less than Josh Howard who got totally hosed, right? As for the rebounds, he has the 4th leading rebounder in the league on his team. As for the most clutch, thats debatable, but there is an argument for him. He has hit a ton of key shots in the last 2 minutes of games and in the 4th quarter during huge comebacks.. The only reason he doesn't get more attention is because he is on the jazz. The only center that has more points per game than him and is not on an all-star team is Eddy Curry. Considering the fact that the two players that are injured are PF and Center, I think he is as legitimate of a replacement as any. Any more questions, then refer to the 4th quarter of the game against the Spurs wednesday, end of the overtime against the grizzlies, overtime game against the Suns earlier in the season, GW shot vs. the Warriors earlier this season, etc... I will give you the fact that there are others to replace in the all-star game just as qualified, but not from the Center position.

[sixtimeseight]

Originally Posted by angryllama

You've gotta beat the best to be the best. It's really a common sense type thing.

how'd the "best" do last year, champ?

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by sixtimeseight

how'd the "best" do last year, champ?

They were predicted to sweep Miami, so I don't know how he can consider them the best. His logic would mean Miami is the best.

[TheChamp24]

Originally Posted by sgbfan

First of all, what Center has been better? As for the points he has one point less than Marion and Stoudemire who are on the team, and only 2 less than Josh Howard who got totally hosed, right? As for the rebounds, he has the 4th leading rebounder in the league on his team. As for the most clutch, thats debatable, but there is an argument for him. He has hit a ton of key shots in the last 2 minutes of games and in the 4th quarter during huge comebacks.. The only reason he doesn't get more attention is because he is on the jazz. The only center that has more points per game than him and is not on an all-star team is Eddy Curry. Considering the fact that the two players that are injured are PF and Center, I think he is as legitimate of a replacement as any. Any more questions, then refer to the 4th quarter of the game against the Spurs wednesday, end of the overtime against the grizzlies, overtime game against the Suns earlier in the season, GW shot vs. the Warriors earlier this season, etc... I will give you the fact that there are others to replace in the all-star game just as qualified, but not from the Center position.

I'd take Marcus Camby over Okur for the Center position personally. More rebounds, more blocks, better defensive player.

[ludo21]

Okur has played lights out tonight.

Hit tough tough shot to win it.

[sgbfan]

Originally Posted by jth1331

I'd take Marcus Camby over Okur for the Center position personally. More rebounds, more blocks, better defensive player.

Are you a Nuggets fan? If so, Wow! Surprise!

[sgbfan]

Originally Posted by ludo21

Okur has played lights out tonight.

Hit tough tough shot to win it.

Thats what he does! Suns had 3 All-stars and Jazz had zero playing tonight?

[TheChamp24]

Originally Posted by sgbfan

Are you a Nuggets fan? If so, Wow! Surprise!

Wow, what a surprise you are backing Okur, a Jazz, Mr. Jazz fan. Camby is the better defensive guy, and thats what I want in a Center. Heck, I'd maybe consider Ben Wallace over Okur.

[ZONA]

If it's not totally apparent - there are 2 things that cannot be disputed.

1) The Allstar game is a joke, nothing more then a glorified exhibition game where fans and 20 million chinese determine who plays in the game. I don't even watch that crap. Nothing but players just throwing up lob after lob. Pretty damn boring actually.

2) angryllama won't stop telling everybody how great the Mavs are. I swear, you would think they were better then the Jordan Bulls of the 90's the way he goes on and on and on and on. I could see 4 teams from the west that could win it (Suns, Spurs, Mavs and Jazz). If you count anyone of those teams out, you're a fool.

[sgbfan]

Originally Posted by jth1331

Wow, what a surprise you are backing Okur, a Jazz, Mr. Jazz fan. Camby is the better defensive guy, and thats what I want in a Center. Heck, I'd maybe consider Ben Wallace over Okur.

I am not arguing that there aren't other good centers in the league. Okur is more like a power forward than a center, but he does play the center. I just said that he has played well enough (at least offensively, which is what All-stars usually do) to be a possible replacement. He has come up big at big times to win games. As a Jazz fan, I have seen him play, so why is it so bad that I back him up? I'm not the only person that has said that he could be an all-star this year. To say that you'd rather have other people that play defense is understandable, and I partially agree with that. I would love to have a center that is a great defender. But that doesn't mean that Okur hasn't been good this year, it just means you prefer other players that are good. I'd much rather have a player like Raja Bell on the Jazz than Kobe Bryant, but that doesn't mean that Raja Bell is better than Kobe. I am just saying that Okur deserves a look as a replacement, and I hope he gets in. You can agree with me or not. It's as simple as that.

[rubaiyat]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Sure they can...the coaches rewarded the Wizards and the Pistons. I still havent figured out why they rewarded the Nets.

They didnt reward the best team in the league. Something's a bit wrong here.

I've read it is because of the nature of the vote. With more deserving candidates in the forward position, the coaches votes get split whereas there are really only a few guard candidates.

As such, you can get a situation where by raw numbers more guards get taken than forwards, even though coaches picked forwards as their "wild cards".

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by rubaiyat

I've read it is because of the nature of the vote. With more deserving candidates in the forward position, the coaches votes get split whereas there are really only a few guard candidates.

As such, you can get a situation where by raw numbers more guards get taken than forwards, even though coaches picked forwards as their "wild cards".

Yeah, you're right about the voting procedure.

I thought that it would be a good idea to competely dump the whole process.

[sgbfan]

Okur does it again! 10 pts in the last 3 minutes to beat the Bulls! CLUTCH BABY!

[sgbfan]

Mehmet Okur and Ray Allen to replace Nash and Iversen for the all-star game! At least one Jazz player will be there to represent. Would be nice to have Deron Williams there too, he could have been there too.

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by sgbfan

Mehmet Okur and Ray Allen to replace Nash and Iversen for the all-star game! At least one Jazz player will be there to represent. Would be nice to have Deron Williams there too, he could have been there too.

Nash out of the lineup has killed us.

Our team doesnt run the same, and the offense as a whole looks bad.

Defensively they are still the same, maybe a little worse.

[sgbfan]

Originally Posted by ludo21

Nash out of the lineup has killed us.

Our team doesnt run the same, and the offense as a whole looks bad.

Defensively they are still the same, maybe a little worse.

Thats why I thought Deron Williams would make the team. There is no true point guard on the West other than Parker. I am just glad a Jazz player made it though.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by sgbfan

Thats why I thought Deron Williams would make the team. There is no true point guard on the West other than Parker. I am just glad a Jazz player made it though.

As a Jazz fan myself I thought Williams should of made it but Okur is deserving too. He has hit at least 6 game winning or tying shots this year in the last minute. He has been clutch. I thought Williams would replace Nash for the same reason you listed above.